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Posted by Angela2 on August 23, 2009, at 12:39:19
In reply to maintaining Babble, as I see it » Angela2, posted by 10derHeart on August 23, 2009, at 0:21:41
Good post 10derheart!
Thanks you.
Posted by Angela2 on August 23, 2009, at 12:42:47
In reply to Re: maintaining Babble, posted by Dr. Bob on August 23, 2009, at 4:42:58
Dr. Bob, thanks for posting this. I agree. If we are all supportive of one another we will not need deputies as much.
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 23, 2009, at 14:04:54
In reply to Re: maintaining Babble » Dr. Bob, posted by Angela2 on August 23, 2009, at 12:42:47
> Dr. Bob, thanks for posting this. I agree. If we are all supportive of one another we will not need deputies as much.
Angela2,
You wrote,[...supportive of one another...].
I am unsure of what your conception ofwhat constitutes support could be. If you could examine the following hypothetical discussion and then answer the following after that, then I could respond accordingly.
In this hypothetical example we have the fictional members Helen Weilz, Seymore Hienz and a new member,Ivan Skidyvan. Here is the discussion:Ivan Skidyvan:
I am under the conviction now that all of these disorders are a result of environmental issues like Pavlov wrote about.Helen Weilz:
Ivan, I think these disorders are a result of environmental issues.
Seymore Heinz:
Ya know Ivan and Helen, I think there could be other possibilities behind these issues.If you could answer the following, then I could have a better understanding of your conception of what constitutes support.
A. If you posted your opinion in a post in that hypothetical thread and you wanted it to be supportive, what could you post?
B. In such a post, could there be reinforcement to one side and if so, could then reinforcement be the same in your opinion as support?
C. If not, what in your opinion could be the differentiating criteria between support and reinforcement?
D. other aspects not stated
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 23, 2009, at 14:12:14
In reply to Lou's request -sprt+reinfrcmt, posted by Lou Pilder on August 23, 2009, at 14:04:54
> > Dr. Bob, thanks for posting this. I agree. If we are all supportive of one another we will not need deputies as much.
>
> Angela2,
> You wrote,[...supportive of one another...].
> I am unsure of what your conception ofwhat constitutes support could be. If you could examine the following hypothetical discussion and then answer the following after that, then I could respond accordingly.
> In this hypothetical example we have the fictional members Helen Weilz, Seymore Hienz and a new member,Ivan Skidyvan. Here is the discussion:
>
> Ivan Skidyvan:
> I am under the conviction now that all of these disorders are a result of environmental issues like Pavlov wrote about.
>
> Helen Weilz:
> Ivan, I think these disorders are a result of environmental issues.
>
> Seymore Heinz:
> Ya know Ivan and Helen, I think there could be other possibilities behind these issues.
>
> If you could answer the following, then I could have a better understanding of your conception of what constitutes support.
> A. If you posted your opinion in a post in that hypothetical thread and you wanted it to be supportive, what could you post?
> B. In such a post, could there be reinforcement to one side and if so, could then reinforcement be the same in your opinion as support?
> C. If not, what in your opinion could be the differentiating criteria between support and reinforcement?
> D. other aspects not stated
> Lou> Angela2,
Now in any hypothetical post that you could make here, could you post that in your opinion these disorders could be the result of hereditiy and be supportive according to your conception of what constituites support?
Lou
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>
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Posted by Lou Pilder on August 23, 2009, at 14:34:41
In reply to Lou's request to Angela2 -hrdty, posted by Lou Pilder on August 23, 2009, at 14:12:14
> > > Dr. Bob, thanks for posting this. I agree. If we are all supportive of one another we will not need deputies as much.
> >
> > Angela2,
> > You wrote,[...supportive of one another...].
> > I am unsure of what your conception ofwhat constitutes support could be. If you could examine the following hypothetical discussion and then answer the following after that, then I could respond accordingly.
> > In this hypothetical example we have the fictional members Helen Weilz, Seymore Hienz and a new member,Ivan Skidyvan. Here is the discussion:
> >
> > Ivan Skidyvan:
> > I am under the conviction now that all of these disorders are a result of environmental issues like Pavlov wrote about.
> >
> > Helen Weilz:
> > Ivan, I think these disorders are a result of environmental issues.
> >
> > Seymore Heinz:
> > Ya know Ivan and Helen, I think there could be other possibilities behind these issues.
> >
> > If you could answer the following, then I could have a better understanding of your conception of what constitutes support.
> > A. If you posted your opinion in a post in that hypothetical thread and you wanted it to be supportive, what could you post?
> > B. In such a post, could there be reinforcement to one side and if so, could then reinforcement be the same in your opinion as support?
> > C. If not, what in your opinion could be the differentiating criteria between support and reinforcement?
> > D. other aspects not stated
> > Lou
>
> > Angela2,
> Now in any hypothetical post that you could make here, could you post that in your opinion these disorders could be the result of hereditiy and be supportive according to your conception of what constituites support?
> LouAngela2,
If you post here your conception of what constitutes support, could you post an example of a supportive statement to reply to Ivan here?Ivan Skidyvan:
Ya know folks, I think that Lamark was right in his conception of evolution.Lou
Posted by Angela2 on August 23, 2009, at 15:52:12
In reply to Lou's request to Angela2 -phlat, posted by Lou Pilder on August 23, 2009, at 14:34:41
Lou, when I am supportive of others, I listen to what they are saying, I may give feedback, advice, or just ((((hugs)))) to let them know someone hears them and cares.
Ivan Skidyvan:
Ya know folks, I think that Lamark was right in his conception of evolution.My reply to Ivan would be one of two: 1. I wouldn't say anything because I don't know who Lamark is and what he believes about evolution. 2. if I'm feeling curious I would ask Ivan what Lamark believes about evolution.
>>>B. In such a post, could there be reinforcement to one side and if so, could then reinforcement be the same in your opinion as support?
I am not sure I have a good grasp on what reinforcement is here. is reinforcement, agreeing with the poster's statement?
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 23, 2009, at 16:50:43
In reply to Re: Lou's request to Angela2 -phlat, posted by Angela2 on August 23, 2009, at 15:52:12
> Lou, when I am supportive of others, I listen to what they are saying, I may give feedback, advice, or just ((((hugs)))) to let them know someone hears them and cares.
>
> Ivan Skidyvan:
> Ya know folks, I think that Lamark was right in his conception of evolution.
>
> My reply to Ivan would be one of two: 1. I wouldn't say anything because I don't know who Lamark is and what he believes about evolution. 2. if I'm feeling curious I would ask Ivan what Lamark believes about evolution.
>
> >>>B. In such a post, could there be reinforcement to one side and if so, could then reinforcement be the same in your opinion as support?
>
> I am not sure I have a good grasp on what reinforcement is here. is reinforcement, agreeing with the poster's statement?Angela2
You wrote, [...I would ask Ivan Skidyvan what Lamark believes...].
That is good as I see it as being supportive. The asking is showing that one has read his post. The asking also gives him the opportunity to explain what is being asked. This could be good for the community as the explanation could bring out more education and support (which I have not defined my understanding of here as of yet).
Lou
Posted by Sigismund on August 23, 2009, at 17:12:29
In reply to Lou's reply- » Angela2, posted by Lou Pilder on August 23, 2009, at 16:50:43
I would say to Ivan
'Lamark has come back into fashion. Is that right? Can you tell me how and why?'
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 23, 2009, at 17:23:20
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-, posted by Sigismund on August 23, 2009, at 17:12:29
> I would say to Ivan
> 'Lamark has come back into fashion. Is that right? Can you tell me how and why?'Sigismund,
Now Sigmund Freud believed in Lamark's concept of evolution. Larmark's concept was different from Darwin's concept.
I have not heard of any acceptance from the scientific community of Lamark's concept of evolution. Have you? If so, could you post here a link to such?
Lou
Posted by Lou Pilder on August 23, 2009, at 20:06:09
In reply to Re: Lou's request to Angela2 -phlat, posted by Angela2 on August 23, 2009, at 15:52:12
> Lou, when I am supportive of others, I listen to what they are saying, I may give feedback, advice, or just ((((hugs)))) to let them know someone hears them and cares.
>
> Ivan Skidyvan:
> Ya know folks, I think that Lamark was right in his conception of evolution.
>
> My reply to Ivan would be one of two: 1. I wouldn't say anything because I don't know who Lamark is and what he believes about evolution. 2. if I'm feeling curious I would ask Ivan what Lamark believes about evolution.
>
> >>>B. In such a post, could there be reinforcement to one side and if so, could then reinforcement be the same in your opinion as support?
>
> I am not sure I have a good grasp on what reinforcement is here. is reinforcement, agreeing with the poster's statement?Angela2,
You wrote,[...is reinforcment...?]
Let's look at another hypothetical discussion. This time Ivan says that he belongs to the flat earth society and is looking for members to discuss his views.Ivan Skidyvan posts;
The earth is flat and all those pictures from space are faked.Could you post an example of a post to Ivan that could be in your thinking of what support means?
Lou
Posted by 10derHeart on August 24, 2009, at 15:52:02
In reply to Re: maintaining Babble, as I see it » 10derHeart, posted by Angela2 on August 23, 2009, at 12:39:19
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 29, 2009, at 4:28:44
In reply to Lou's reply-Lmrk » Sigismund, posted by Lou Pilder on August 23, 2009, at 17:23:20
> Now Sigmund Freud believed in Lamark's concept of evolution. Larmark's concept was different from Darwin's concept.
Sorry to interrupt, but I'd like to redirect follow-ups regarding evolution to Psycho-Babble Social. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20090827/msgs/918918.html
That'll be considered a new thread, so if you'd like to be notified by email of follow-ups to it, you'll need to request that there.
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on September 29, 2009, at 5:18:25
In reply to Re: maintaining Babble » Dr. Bob, posted by Phillipa on August 23, 2009, at 12:33:16
> > Would you like more people to stick around? Or to come in the first place? Would you like old friends to return?
> >
> > If so, can you think of anything you can do to help?
>
> Dr. Bob, if you really need more deputies, I can offer to be one if you think I am able.
>
> Deneb> Dr. Bob yes I'd love the old posters to return and have asked them via e-mail or another site and none are inclined to. Some ... said " Babble made me sicker"
>
> PhillipaThanks for volunteering to be a deputy and for asking old posters to return, I do think those are ways to help.
What is it about Babble that made them sicker? Is there something we can do about that?
I wonder if current posters feel ambivalent about new posters joining. Since current posters don't always welcome new posters. For example, I did a mini-survey of the last archive at Medication and found 13 flagged posts by new posters. 9 were replied to, 4 weren't. 7 of the 9 who were replied to posted again, but only 1 of the 4 who weren't. I know it's oversimplifying to consider posting a second time staying, but if the 4 posters who weren't replied to had been and we extrapolate, 2 more would have stayed. 2 new posters every 9 days isn't a ton, but it would add up.
Another example is allowing posts to be tweeted. That might lead readers to some of the many thoughtful and intelligent posts here, after which they might join, but some current posters seem not to want more people reading their posts. Which of course would happen if Babble grew.
Bob
Posted by muffled on September 29, 2009, at 8:53:54
In reply to Re: maintaining Babble, posted by Dr. Bob on September 29, 2009, at 5:18:25
"What is it about Babble that made them sicker?
Is there something we can do about that?"Blocks, excessive blocks.
Apparently not...
Posted by Kath on September 29, 2009, at 19:05:03
In reply to Re: Dr Bob, time for some plain talk?, posted by SLS on August 21, 2009, at 13:42:27
People now come and go and don't stick around. Just my thoughts. Phillipa
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> Yiah. We gained two great people on the Psychology board in one week, only to see them both disappear the following week. That's a trajedy.
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>
> - Scott~ ~ I noticed the same thing also.
Kath
Posted by Kath on September 29, 2009, at 19:08:55
In reply to Re: Dr Bob, time for some plain talk? » Phillipa, posted by gobbledygook on August 21, 2009, at 14:11:33
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> I miss Twinleaf, Fayeroe, Verne, and many others...they've been gone for so long.
>
> They brought a lot of spirit and heart here...void and sadness...that's what I feel.
>
> I hope all of you are doing well if you're reading this. I miss reading your posts.
>
> Ava
>~ ~ Ditto & lots of other also. :-(
Kath
Posted by Kath on September 29, 2009, at 19:13:44
In reply to Re: Dr Bob, time for some plain talk?, posted by Sigismund on August 21, 2009, at 15:43:43
> Lrrrrp
~~ Lurrrppp for sure & kk & Auntie Mel & Midnight Blue - lots!
Kath
Posted by Kath on September 29, 2009, at 19:20:17
In reply to Re: Dr Bob, time for some plain talk? » Partlycloudy, posted by rskontos on August 21, 2009, at 20:26:39
> I feel like Åva, the babble I used to cherish has eroded to something I don't always recognize. Maybe Phillipa is right, the trouble really vamped up after that announcement of students, then the Twitter thing, and all the unseemly blocks that I feel aren't warranted.
~ ~ I agree with the above ~ ~
> I felt like the Babble I first experience in 2006 is nothing like the Babble of today. that is just my 2 cents.~ ~ Me too. ~ ~
> I remember when I couldn't keep up with all the posts and threads, and now I come back every 10 -14 days and its easy to catch up. I miss all the traffic and posters. I long for those days but I am afraid it is the end of an era. so many friends gone now.~ ~ Me toooooo. Well I'm here mostly every day, but the # of posts, at least on Social is VERY small ~ ~
Kath
Posted by Kath on September 29, 2009, at 19:28:24
In reply to Re: maintaining Babble, posted by Dr. Bob on August 23, 2009, at 4:42:58
I have no plans to retire this site.
>
> Bob~ ~ Thanks for making that absolutely clear.
:-)
Kath
Posted by Kath on September 29, 2009, at 19:35:37
In reply to maintaining Babble, as I see it » Angela2, posted by 10derHeart on August 23, 2009, at 0:21:41
Thanks for that post.
:-) Kath
Posted by Kath on September 29, 2009, at 19:37:14
In reply to Re: maintaining Babble » Dr. Bob, posted by muffled on September 29, 2009, at 8:53:54
((muffie)) _ I love seeing you here.
xoxo Kath
Posted by Kath on September 29, 2009, at 19:40:06
In reply to Re: Dr Bob, time for some plain talk?, posted by Kath on September 29, 2009, at 19:05:03
Sorry for the big row of posts by moi!
I read the whole thread & just answered as i went along.
Kath
Posted by Phillipa on September 29, 2009, at 20:09:22
In reply to Re: maintaining Babble, posted by Dr. Bob on September 29, 2009, at 5:18:25
Hi Dr. Bob don't think as far as sickness goes that's a problem that can be fixed. Seems the ones I've spoken to got scared and frightened by thinking they had conditions they didn't. One in particular comes to mind that no longer posts, takes meds, and is excelling in University. Some sorry to say it privately expressed to me they were "tired of hearing about MAOI's". That they were on SSRI's and maybe one other med and that was it. So joined as an example facebook to allow themselves a place to socialize and if choose discuss their med. Now the ones I know usually privately e-mail me when meds are discussed and focus more on quizes and games there. And everyday life. Hope this is civil. No criticisms here that I'm aware of. Just the honesty of the others I know. As for welcoming people when I do it's amazing how many babblemails I receive thanking me and viola another friendship is formed. Thanks for asking. Love Phillipa
Posted by MidnightBlue on September 30, 2009, at 0:48:07
In reply to Re: maintaining Babble, posted by Dr. Bob on September 29, 2009, at 5:18:25
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> Another example is allowing posts to be tweeted. That might lead readers to some of the many thoughtful and intelligent posts here, after which they might join, but some current posters seem not to want more people reading their posts. Which of course would happen if Babble grew.
>
> BobDr. Bob,
Quite a large number of people requested that you not tweet their posts. Please honor that. Being on the "no tweet" list does not necessarily mean you want a non-vibrant Babble.
MidnightBlue
Posted by Kath on September 30, 2009, at 16:47:28
In reply to Re: maintaining Babble » Dr. Bob, posted by MidnightBlue on September 30, 2009, at 0:48:07
Hi MB,
I just mentioned missing you in another thread! How lovely to see your name.
:-) Kath
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