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Posted by Simcha on July 16, 2001, at 9:50:52
Ok, I'm on day 6 of this journey. This morning I feel like I'm on speed. I've had my EffexorXR 75mg dose and at noon I will take my 100mg WellbutrinSR dose.
My hands are shaking a little bit. The energy charge is great for knocking out this morning work here at the office so I don't mind. I've read that these effects are temporary and I'm going through Effexor withdrawal.
I fell asleep at 7pm last night and I got up at 6:30am. That's 11.5 hrs of sleep!!!! YIKES!!! I think that my system is crashing on the Effexor withdrawal...perhaps?
I went to a dance Saturday night and I just could not be around all those people all night. I took breaks by going out to the car to lay down. I felt a little silly about it but it was the way I felt. I'm a introvert by nature but I'm not normally socio-phobic.
Oh well. I just need some support now. I want to believe that I will make it through this without too many problems....
Posted by sl on July 16, 2001, at 16:55:04
In reply to EffexorXR to WellbutrinSR, posted by Simcha on July 16, 2001, at 9:50:52
(I can't belive nobody else answered you yet!)
Yes, you're probably right about crashing off Effexor. When I went off Effexor, it took me a week to feel normal again, felt dizzy and fluish for a while, with random muscle twitches that lasted past the illness and went away gradually.
Hopefully you'll have a time like I did, I've heard of some others that had it much worse when they came off Effexor.Wellbutrin will probably give you the "speed" feeling too, for me it went away after about 3 days. I can't speak to your situation going directly from Effexor to Wellbutrin, since I tried something else in between. Sorry.
Don't feel silly about withdrawing to the car occasionally, at least you went! Lots of us sit home all the time. You did what you had to do to get through it. :)
sl
> Ok, I'm on day 6 of this journey. This morning I feel like I'm on speed. I've had my EffexorXR 75mg dose and at noon I will take my 100mg WellbutrinSR dose.
>
> My hands are shaking a little bit. The energy charge is great for knocking out this morning work here at the office so I don't mind. I've read that these effects are temporary and I'm going through Effexor withdrawal.
>
> I fell asleep at 7pm last night and I got up at 6:30am. That's 11.5 hrs of sleep!!!! YIKES!!! I think that my system is crashing on the Effexor withdrawal...perhaps?
>
> I went to a dance Saturday night and I just could not be around all those people all night. I took breaks by going out to the car to lay down. I felt a little silly about it but it was the way I felt. I'm a introvert by nature but I'm not normally socio-phobic.
>
> Oh well. I just need some support now. I want to believe that I will make it through this without too many problems....
Posted by Simcha on July 16, 2001, at 18:22:40
In reply to Re: EffexorXR to WellbutrinSR, posted by sl on July 16, 2001, at 16:55:04
Sl,
Thank you sooooo much for responding. I feel so isolated today. Your post helped me see that my reactions are "normal" for depressed people. I keep thinking that I have to do it all. I'm one of those over-achievers lately. Perhaps I'm slightly manic at the moment. The doc was screening me for Bi-Polar Disorder since it runs in the family. Maybe I'll talk to him about it....
Maybe this is all the withdrawal. I've been reading so many things about Effexor withdrawal...and it is as bad as they say....
I hope this gets better as I cycle down to 37.5 MG EffexorXR/day and up to 150mg Wellbutrin/day on Wednesday. I see my psych doc a week from tomorrow so that we can discuss what comes next.
All this so that I can maintain an erection....One wonders whether this is worth it...(Seriously!)
> (I can't belive nobody else answered you yet!)
>
> Yes, you're probably right about crashing off Effexor. When I went off Effexor, it took me a week to feel normal again, felt dizzy and fluish for a while, with random muscle twitches that lasted past the illness and went away gradually.
> Hopefully you'll have a time like I did, I've heard of some others that had it much worse when they came off Effexor.
>
> Wellbutrin will probably give you the "speed" feeling too, for me it went away after about 3 days. I can't speak to your situation going directly from Effexor to Wellbutrin, since I tried something else in between. Sorry.
>
> Don't feel silly about withdrawing to the car occasionally, at least you went! Lots of us sit home all the time. You did what you had to do to get through it. :)
>
> sl
>
> > Ok, I'm on day 6 of this journey. This morning I feel like I'm on speed. I've had my EffexorXR 75mg dose and at noon I will take my 100mg WellbutrinSR dose.
> >
> > My hands are shaking a little bit. The energy charge is great for knocking out this morning work here at the office so I don't mind. I've read that these effects are temporary and I'm going through Effexor withdrawal.
> >
> > I fell asleep at 7pm last night and I got up at 6:30am. That's 11.5 hrs of sleep!!!! YIKES!!! I think that my system is crashing on the Effexor withdrawal...perhaps?
> >
> > I went to a dance Saturday night and I just could not be around all those people all night. I took breaks by going out to the car to lay down. I felt a little silly about it but it was the way I felt. I'm a introvert by nature but I'm not normally socio-phobic.
> >
> > Oh well. I just need some support now. I want to believe that I will make it through this without too many problems....
Posted by sl on July 16, 2001, at 22:24:35
In reply to Re: EffexorXR to WellbutrinSR Feeling Isolated, posted by Simcha on July 16, 2001, at 18:22:40
> Thank you sooooo much for responding. I feel so isolated today. Your post helped me see that my reactions are "normal" for depressed people. I keep thinking that I have to do it all. I'm one
I used to be like that...then I figured out that if I give myself a little slack here and there it's a LOT easier to get through the days. Making small concessions keeps you from having to make big ones. :)
>of those over-achievers lately. Perhaps I'm slightly manic at the moment. The doc was screening me for Bi-Polar Disorder since it runs in the family. Maybe I'll talk to him about it....
*shrug* That's what wellbutrin is like when you first go on it. I don't know if your doctor could tell the difference any better than you can, since you're on sorta mixed-meds right now.
> Maybe this is all the withdrawal. I've been reading so many things about Effexor withdrawal...and it is as bad as they say....It can be. But you're also going directly to Wellbutrin's support, so you may not have the "rebound depression" that some people get when going off Effexor. (they get even MORE down than before Effexor, and then come back to normal)
> I hope this gets better as I cycle down to 37.5 MG EffexorXR/day and up to 150mg Wellbutrin/day on Wednesday. I see my psych doc a week from tomorrow so that we can discuss what comes next.
I see a new medical professional tomorrow myself. *crosses fingers* I'm not sure what her title is, I just know she's not a regular doctor but she can prescribe meds. Anyway, I'm hoping she's better than the last one, last one was dumb and didn't do her research. :/
Anyway, good luck with the doc. :)
> All this so that I can maintain an erection....One wonders whether this is worth it...(Seriously!)
*laugh* Well, if you respond to Wellbutrin without bad side-effects, it's really a great drug. And it'll BOOST your sex-drive, so if you have a partner who's been doing without...they'll be thrilled. ;)
sl
Posted by Simcha on July 17, 2001, at 7:48:32
In reply to Re: EffexorXR to WellbutrinSR Feeling Isolated, posted by sl on July 16, 2001, at 22:24:35
Yeah,
I had a partner until last night. There was a big mess up and the partner was less than understanding. We were only together for two months and my partner did not understand what I was going through.
Actually I'm relieved. The single life is so much more simple and I can concentrate on what I need 100%.
Well, I'm not sure what I'll be doing with the increased libido. I hope that this was a right decision to switch meds. I wanted to be able to be in a sexual/romantic relationship so I and my doc felt it was time for a switch. Well at least I'll be able to do it when I want to date again.
> > Thank you sooooo much for responding. I feel so isolated today. Your post helped me see that my reactions are "normal" for depressed people. I keep thinking that I have to do it all. I'm one
>
> I used to be like that...then I figured out that if I give myself a little slack here and there it's a LOT easier to get through the days. Making small concessions keeps you from having to make big ones. :)
>
> >of those over-achievers lately. Perhaps I'm slightly manic at the moment. The doc was screening me for Bi-Polar Disorder since it runs in the family. Maybe I'll talk to him about it....
>
> *shrug* That's what wellbutrin is like when you first go on it. I don't know if your doctor could tell the difference any better than you can, since you're on sorta mixed-meds right now.
>
> > Maybe this is all the withdrawal. I've been reading so many things about Effexor withdrawal...and it is as bad as they say....
>
> It can be. But you're also going directly to Wellbutrin's support, so you may not have the "rebound depression" that some people get when going off Effexor. (they get even MORE down than before Effexor, and then come back to normal)
>
> > I hope this gets better as I cycle down to 37.5 MG EffexorXR/day and up to 150mg Wellbutrin/day on Wednesday. I see my psych doc a week from tomorrow so that we can discuss what comes next.
>
> I see a new medical professional tomorrow myself. *crosses fingers* I'm not sure what her title is, I just know she's not a regular doctor but she can prescribe meds. Anyway, I'm hoping she's better than the last one, last one was dumb and didn't do her research. :/
>
> Anyway, good luck with the doc. :)
>
> > All this so that I can maintain an erection....One wonders whether this is worth it...(Seriously!)
>
> *laugh* Well, if you respond to Wellbutrin without bad side-effects, it's really a great drug. And it'll BOOST your sex-drive, so if you have a partner who's been doing without...they'll be thrilled. ;)
>
> sl
Posted by sl on July 17, 2001, at 11:16:03
In reply to Re: EffexorXR to WellbutrinSR Feeling Isolated, posted by Simcha on July 17, 2001, at 7:48:32
Wow. I'm sorry to hear that.
You're right tho, the single life IS more simple. I am single by choice. I LIKE being able to go to the art fair and look at what _I_ want, I like being able to grocery shop and buy what _I_ like, I like being able to go to a convention and sit down halfway thru and take a nap when I'm tired. *shrug* there's big perks to being on your own, especially when your lifestyle is different like mine.
If Wellbutrin works out, you'll have energy and probably motivation to go out and meet new people, maybe someone more understanding. :)
Meanwhile, I suggest the library...it's out of the house so you can't mope, but it's quiet and non-stressful. :)Luck...
sl> Yeah,
>
> I had a partner until last night. There was a big mess up and the partner was less than understanding. We were only together for two months and my partner did not understand what I was going through.
>
> Actually I'm relieved. The single life is so much more simple and I can concentrate on what I need 100%.
>
> Well, I'm not sure what I'll be doing with the increased libido. I hope that this was a right decision to switch meds. I wanted to be able to be in a sexual/romantic relationship so I and my doc felt it was time for a switch. Well at least I'll be able to do it when I want to date again.
>
Posted by Simcha on July 17, 2001, at 12:33:19
In reply to Re: EffexorXR to WellbutrinSR Feeling Isolated, posted by sl on July 17, 2001, at 11:16:03
sl,
Thanks, I think I will take your suggestion. It's been a while since I went to the library. That might be just the ticket. I love to read.
Yeah, I like being single. You know, it does not have to be sexless (wink, wink). But I'm a bit fragile now so I think I'll take a long break.
I have a retreat coming up this weekend. It's full of people who love me and who are just like me. We understand each other. I'm glad I don't have to be alone this weekend if I don't want to be alone.
Thanks for all of your support. It really helps. The Wellbutrin/Effexor seems to be better today. Tomorrow I go down on the Effexor and up on the Wellbutrin. I hope it's not as much of a roller-coaster. At least I know that all I have to do is take care of me. I can do that. I see my doc next week. That is self-care too.
> Wow. I'm sorry to hear that.
>
> You're right tho, the single life IS more simple. I am single by choice. I LIKE being able to go to the art fair and look at what _I_ want, I like being able to grocery shop and buy what _I_ like, I like being able to go to a convention and sit down halfway thru and take a nap when I'm tired. *shrug* there's big perks to being on your own, especially when your lifestyle is different like mine.
>
> If Wellbutrin works out, you'll have energy and probably motivation to go out and meet new people, maybe someone more understanding. :)
> Meanwhile, I suggest the library...it's out of the house so you can't mope, but it's quiet and non-stressful. :)
>
> Luck...
> sl
>
> > Yeah,
> >
> > I had a partner until last night. There was a big mess up and the partner was less than understanding. We were only together for two months and my partner did not understand what I was going through.
> >
> > Actually I'm relieved. The single life is so much more simple and I can concentrate on what I need 100%.
> >
> > Well, I'm not sure what I'll be doing with the increased libido. I hope that this was a right decision to switch meds. I wanted to be able to be in a sexual/romantic relationship so I and my doc felt it was time for a switch. Well at least I'll be able to do it when I want to date again.
> >
Posted by sl on July 17, 2001, at 21:24:36
In reply to Re: EffexorXR to WellbutrinSR Feeling Isolated, posted by Simcha on July 17, 2001, at 12:33:19
> Thanks, I think I will take your suggestion. It's been a while since I went to the library. That might be just the ticket. I love to read.Good! It's a great way to learn, and the more research they do, they more they find a brain is a use-it-or-lose-it kinda thing.
> Yeah, I like being single. You know, it does not have to be sexless (wink, wink). But I'm a bit fragile now so I think I'll take a long break.*nod nod* Exactly. I know it doesn't have to be sexless, even more than most people. I was on Wellbutrin for 4-5 years. *winknudge* But you're right, you want to level off before you go messing with your hormones and emotions again.
> I have a retreat coming up this weekend. It's full of people who love me and who are just like me. We understand each other. I'm glad I don't have to be alone this weekend if I don't want to be alone.
And that's just how it is when you break up with someone.
It's great that you've got fun plans for the wkend, I hope you enjoy it!
> Thanks for all of your support. It really helps. The Wellbutrin/Effexor seems to be better today. Tomorrow I go down on the Effexor and up on the Wellbutrin. I hope it's not as much of a roller-coaster. At least I know that all I haveI hope you're taking Wellbutrin in the AM and Effexor a couple hours before bed. That'll minimize the roller-coaster feel, as much as possible anyway.
I'm glad I could help! It's always a little scary to try something new, and it's comforting to hear from folks who've done it before. :)
>to do is take care of me. I can do that. I see my doc next week. That is self-care too.
Absolutely! And my appt today turned out to be good! This lady knew her stuff, accepted what I had to add, and gave me Buspar to try out, and told me to come back in three weeks instead of dropping me on my own like the last doctor.
good things can happen...
sl
Posted by Simcha on July 18, 2001, at 8:39:38
In reply to Re: EffexorXR to WellbutrinSR Feeling Isolated, posted by sl on July 17, 2001, at 21:24:36
sl,
Thanks for the response! I'm happy for you. I'm glad you've found a doc you can work with.
My doc has me taking my Effexor in the am and my Wellbutrin at noon. Effexor has always been stimulating for me. So is the Wellbutrin. I'm actually tired by the time I go to bed. I think that this is ok for now.
OK, I hate to sound like some sort of sad movie but.... My grandma died last night. I'm going to the funeral this Friday. The wake is tomorrow night. I'm actually doing OK. She's been sick a long time so this is not a surprise and I've done most of my crying. I loved her very much. I've missed her for the past few years. She has not been herself since the cerebral hemmorage.
Actually my ex and I got together to talk last night. We are going to try to get back together. My ex, now my partner again, said that he was being irrational Monday night. We are going to try to going to therapy together in a couple of weeks. He's a recovering alcoholic and he has his issues too. I really love him and I'd like to see where this relationship could go.
Well, my life has been a saga lately. Adjusting to new meds adds a whole other level to it. I'm amazed that I'm doing this well. I'm overwhelmed much of the time but at least I'm not depressed. Thank God for medication. I know that at other times of major stress I have slipped into major depression. With the amount of stress I've experienced in the past couple of days I may not have survived without meds. These little pills are life-savers. I see that now. I guess I'm kind of grateful that I live in a time where there is treatment for this very physical illness.
>
> > Thanks, I think I will take your suggestion. It's been a while since I went to the library. That might be just the ticket. I love to read.
>
> Good! It's a great way to learn, and the more research they do, they more they find a brain is a use-it-or-lose-it kinda thing.
>
> > Yeah, I like being single. You know, it does not have to be sexless (wink, wink). But I'm a bit fragile now so I think I'll take a long break.
>
> *nod nod* Exactly. I know it doesn't have to be sexless, even more than most people. I was on Wellbutrin for 4-5 years. *winknudge* But you're right, you want to level off before you go messing with your hormones and emotions again.
>
> > I have a retreat coming up this weekend. It's full of people who love me and who are just like me. We understand each other. I'm glad I don't have to be alone this weekend if I don't want to be alone.
>
> And that's just how it is when you break up with someone.
> It's great that you've got fun plans for the wkend, I hope you enjoy it!
>
> > Thanks for all of your support. It really helps. The Wellbutrin/Effexor seems to be better today. Tomorrow I go down on the Effexor and up on the Wellbutrin. I hope it's not as much of a roller-coaster. At least I know that all I have
>
> I hope you're taking Wellbutrin in the AM and Effexor a couple hours before bed. That'll minimize the roller-coaster feel, as much as possible anyway.
>
> I'm glad I could help! It's always a little scary to try something new, and it's comforting to hear from folks who've done it before. :)
>
> >to do is take care of me. I can do that. I see my doc next week. That is self-care too.
>
> Absolutely! And my appt today turned out to be good! This lady knew her stuff, accepted what I had to add, and gave me Buspar to try out, and told me to come back in three weeks instead of dropping me on my own like the last doctor.
>
> good things can happen...
>
> sl
Posted by sl on July 18, 2001, at 13:01:03
In reply to Re: EffexorXR to WellbutrinSR Death, posted by Simcha on July 18, 2001, at 8:39:38
> My doc has me taking my Effexor in the am and my Wellbutrin at noon. Effexor has always been stimulating for me. So is the Wellbutrin. I'm actually tired by the time I go to bed. I think that this is ok for now.Oh! I knew that was possible, but I don't think I've actually talked to anyone who was like that. That's nice. :)
> but.... My grandma died last night. I'm
< snip >
missed her for the past few years. She has not been herself since the cerebral hemmorage.I understand...my grandfather doesn't have his mind anymore. We still have to go see him, but he doesn't know we're there. And we lost my other grandfather this last year. I miss them both.
> Actually my ex and I got together to talk last < snip >
weeks. He's a recovering alcoholic and he has his issues too. I really love him and I'd like to see where this relationship could go.It's great that you've decided to put effort into staying together, I hope he's as honest as you are about wanting to stay together.
>experienced in the past couple of days I may not have survived without meds. These little pills are life-savers. I see that now. I guess I'm kindYes, they sure can be. One of my friends says I don't live in the "real world" because I'm on "a prozac-equivelant". He also admits NONE of this friends live in the real world, tho, so it's not as bad as it sounds. My other friend seems to understand...he asked how well I could function without meds, and I told him I could live but barely. He was very accepting of it.
>of grateful that I live in a time where there is treatment for this very physical illness.
*nodnodnod* I think of that all the time. I think of how miserable I was in high school and thank the powers-that-be for my little purple pills. :)
sl
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