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Posted by svevo1922 on December 4, 2001, at 17:54:52
I was wondering if anyone has tried strength training to keep weight gain caused by anafranil (clomipramine) in check. I'm taking clomipramine for the second time and can see that mere diet and gentle aerobics (long walks) will not be enough.
Thanks in advance for any suggestions or observations.
Posted by Vincent on December 4, 2001, at 18:18:41
In reply to Strength training to combat AD weight gain?, posted by svevo1922 on December 4, 2001, at 17:54:52
Hi,
once I've side effects using amisulpride, that increase prolactine level and so it makes you hungry and cause lot of disgusting deseases.
I've found out that a cyclic use of drug could reduce most part of side effects: on terapy for 15-20 days, and than stop for 5-7 days.
The level of terapic effects were not reduced by this cyclic use.
It could be and idea but I don't know if it works well even for TCA like Anafranil.
Bye
Posted by JGalt on December 4, 2001, at 19:29:18
In reply to Re: Strength training to combat AD weight gain?, posted by Vincent on December 4, 2001, at 18:18:41
Strength training would be worth a try...Bodybuilding type training would probably be more worth it though. The difference being that strength training goes exclusively for strength (usually through lower reps and higher weight w/ diet that maintains weight), bodybuilding seeks to build muscle (usually through higher reps and medium weight w/ a diet that is above maintanence calories (though you could keep your diet the same, just get more protein would cause slow but definite muscle mass increase and fat decrease)). More muscle=more calories burned while you sleep, eat, and etc. Can't remember the statistic, there's a couple of them going around...think I've seen between 25-75 more calories burned per pound of muscle you add. Also should be nice for one's self esteem to be more muscular and physically attractive, as well as to see the weights go up over time (very quickly at first, then after about 6 months at a slower rate).
I personally love strength training though, as a sport (powerlifting). Bodybuilding type stuff is also quite fun, kinda of like an opiate and adrenaline rush when you're doing it, strength training is more dopamine/opiate rush I suspect, from the stimulus of seeing your weights go up over time.JGalt
Posted by Simcha on December 5, 2001, at 7:33:00
In reply to Re: Strength training to combat AD weight gain?, posted by JGalt on December 4, 2001, at 19:29:18
Yeah, I've been trying this route. On the meds I gain weight beautifully. This also means that my propensity to gain muscle is as high as ever. I do not loose much fat but I'm gaining muscle like crazy. I'm starting to look like one of those Soviet body builders from the 1970s. I'm not sure if I like the look but no one will mess with me... ;-)
> Strength training would be worth a try...Bodybuilding type training would probably be more worth it though. The difference being that strength training goes exclusively for strength (usually through lower reps and higher weight w/ diet that maintains weight), bodybuilding seeks to build muscle (usually through higher reps and medium weight w/ a diet that is above maintanence calories (though you could keep your diet the same, just get more protein would cause slow but definite muscle mass increase and fat decrease)). More muscle=more calories burned while you sleep, eat, and etc. Can't remember the statistic, there's a couple of them going around...think I've seen between 25-75 more calories burned per pound of muscle you add. Also should be nice for one's self esteem to be more muscular and physically attractive, as well as to see the weights go up over time (very quickly at first, then after about 6 months at a slower rate).
> I personally love strength training though, as a sport (powerlifting). Bodybuilding type stuff is also quite fun, kinda of like an opiate and adrenaline rush when you're doing it, strength training is more dopamine/opiate rush I suspect, from the stimulus of seeing your weights go up over time.
>
> JGalt
Posted by JackD on December 5, 2001, at 12:16:40
In reply to Strength training to combat AD weight gain?, posted by svevo1922 on December 4, 2001, at 17:54:52
Heh, I've taken weight gain from AD's and used it to my advantage. You see, weight gain, and eating a lot, is anabolic; it raises hormone levels and helps build muscle. I started REmeron a while ago, and it made me hungry ALL the time, and I gained about 20 lbs [of mostly muscle!].
I went from benching about 220 to 260 in a matter of months.The key is to really push yourself at the gym and eat right: plenty of protein, yogurt, milk, eggs, potatoes, turkey, and chicken. Don't pig out on ice cream or candy... Candy and sweets,in fact, are the WORST things to eat if you want to be in good shape.
If you're not looking to build mass, but rather to stay lean or get lean, then do lot's of running, like 30 minutes a day at least. Strength training will also help speed up your metabolism. Run a lot, lift weights and eat good (don't eat salad all day, eat enough calories to keep that metabolism high) and you'll be set.
Posted by svevo1922 on December 6, 2001, at 11:52:42
In reply to Re: Strength training to combat AD weight gain?, posted by JackD on December 5, 2001, at 12:16:40
Thanks for the comments and suggestions.
First, I was using the term strength-training loosely to include any weight assisted exercise that would build muscle mass.
I can't run because of an injury. What do you think of elliptical trainers? I've found them somewhat awkward. I've tried lifecycle-style bicycles, but my lack of strength makes it hard for me to get my heart rate up. I stay away from rowing because of the injury. I used to have a Nordic Track, but found it too awkward after a while and then it broke. Sometimes I try walking on the treadmill at a fairly slow speed but with a high incline. I may try swimming, but not for calorie control or muscle building, mainly to work my injured muscles in the warm water.
I have a Tanita scale that purports to estimate my
fat level. Do you think they work?When I was taking Desipramine I found it troubling
not to know what my actual heart rate was because the medication automatically raised it by at least 40 beats per minute. I often wear a heart chest monitor in order to tell how hard I'm working (I find that my perception is sometimes misleading); I don't have a cardiac problem.As a person who has never weighed enough to donate blood and is testosterone-challenged, I definitely would be looking for the "lean and mean" look as opposed to pneumatic Michelin Man look. What's that character's name? "Bibendum," I think. He never looks depressed.
Re: diet, is low-fat fish no good?
Thanks again!
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> Heh, I've taken weight gain from AD's and used it to my advantage. You see, weight gain, and eating a lot, is anabolic; it raises hormone levels and helps build muscle. I started REmeron a while ago, and it made me hungry ALL the time, and I gained about 20 lbs [of mostly muscle!].
> I went from benching about 220 to 260 in a matter of months.
>
> The key is to really push yourself at the gym and eat right: plenty of protein, yogurt, milk, eggs, potatoes, turkey, and chicken. Don't pig out on ice cream or candy... Candy and sweets,in fact, are the WORST things to eat if you want to be in good shape.
>
> If you're not looking to build mass, but rather to stay lean or get lean, then do lot's of running, like 30 minutes a day at least. Strength training will also help speed up your metabolism. Run a lot, lift weights and eat good (don't eat salad all day, eat enough calories to keep that metabolism high) and you'll be set.
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