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Posted by Joel on December 5, 2002, at 23:06:19
Ive been on countless drugs for the past 3 and a half years trying to find the right thing for me. I usually get really bad responses to them at extremely low doses. And honestly I dont even know what I have wrong with me, every single diagnosis fits me in a lot of different ways.
I was taking low dose adderall+ritalin (not on a daily basis, id freak whenever i tried) to help me focus with 100mg of wellbutrin and 100mg of 5-htp. I wanted to stop the wellbutrin after I lost 40 pounds (I needed it) and quit smoking. It just wasnt working the same way it used to either.
Ive always had problems sleeping too, so my doctor gave me some samples of seroquel (25mg) and told me it would help. Well sure enough, the stuff put me out instantly into a soft dreamy state which didnt feel anything like a benzo but much better to me. Waking up was a pain in the ass, but as the day went by i noticed that I felt different. I didnt seem to mind doing things I hated before, like going to public places. Also things just didnt seem to irritate me or worry me like they used to.
Well when I stated taking the adderall and ritalin with it, I REALLY noticed some great effects.
With a 10mg ritalin twice a day I get a very clean feeling inside, and I feel like I want to tackle the day. Not too euphoric, more of a comfortable, clean, confident, satisfied and ready for more feeling.
The 10mg adderall gives me more energy than the ritalin, and the same confidence. 20mg goes a little farther. It turns the part of my brain that worries back on, except it seems to anticipate and plan instead of worry. As the seroquel wears off in the evening the anxiety doesnt really come back, its followed by a feeling of... well... a euphoric buzz. I can tell its a dopamine rush from how it feels, but it doesnt feel like a drug. It feels 100% natural, like a kid on christmas morning(not quite, but close). Once the feeling wears off, I usually feel worn out, but still alright. By then its time for another seroquel, and the process repeats. So far after 3 weeks this has been the best thing thats ever happened to me.
If anyone else has had similar results with this combination, or even just with seroquel, it would be great to know.
Posted by utopizen on December 6, 2002, at 6:59:11
In reply to Seroquel+adderall for worry/anxiety/dysphoria, posted by Joel on December 5, 2002, at 23:06:19
Long-term use may equal tarditive dyskensia, which means you're be wailing your arms and legs out like a maniac all day long. And it's not reversible.
Are you sure Klonopin or others aren't effective at higher doses? I'm really shocked anyone's prescribing antipsychotics for anxiety, I can never believe that. How long have you been in treatment? Maybe like after 5 years of trying everything, and a huge amount of disabling effects still going on, AND CBT has been exausted, but I mean, this is an antipsychotic, it's not something you casually pop- it can produce extrapyramidal side effects, which is a funny way of saying it'll force a part of your head or such to move in a certain way and cut off circulation to your respiratory tract so you'll die if not treated for it within 12 hours with a med only a psych ward would have. If you're lucky, you'll get this will you're in a psych ward, and while you're awake, so you don't sleep through it into your death.
Yeah, makes benzos seem like Pez, doesn't it?
Posted by babs on December 6, 2002, at 8:04:16
In reply to Seroquel+adderall for worry/anxiety/dysphoria, posted by Joel on December 5, 2002, at 23:06:19
Hi Joel- I think Utopizen's response should be taken with a grain of salt. I am on risperdal, another antipsychotic, and once I added adderall, I felt the best I have felt in the 13 years since I suffered my first depressive episode. I don't feel euphoric, I just feel, for the first time in 13 years, normal. Or what I think normal must feel like. Antipsychotics are heavy duty drugs but I just spoke with my pdoc yesterday and he has been doing some research in the fiels and said AP's are now being used to help refractory anxiety (I guess this is what I'm on it for primarily) that doesn't seem to be helped by other drugs like AD's, benzos, mood stabilizers. Yes, there is a risk of tardive dyskinesia but if you know that and are willing to accept it and the drugs work for you.....
Posted by Joel on December 6, 2002, at 12:10:41
In reply to Re: Seroquel+adderall for worry/anxiety/dysphoria, posted by babs on December 6, 2002, at 8:04:16
> Hi Joel- I think Utopizen's response should be taken with a grain of salt. I am on risperdal, another antipsychotic, and once I added adderall, I felt the best I have felt in the 13 years since I suffered my first depressive episode. I don't feel euphoric, I just feel, for the first time in 13 years, normal. Or what I think normal must feel like. Antipsychotics are heavy duty drugs but I just spoke with my pdoc yesterday and he has been doing some research in the fiels and said AP's are now being used to help refractory anxiety (I guess this is what I'm on it for primarily) that doesn't seem to be helped by other drugs like AD's, benzos, mood stabilizers. Yes, there is a risk of tardive dyskinesia but if you know that and are willing to accept it and the drugs work for you.....
Its good to know of someone else who had success with this. I thought the combination of 5-ht2 antagonism and adderall was interesting. It might have some sort of dopamine-modulating effect, coupled with the dopamine boost from adderall.
Also, doesnt the risk of tardive dyskinesia and other side effects shrink at smaller doses? I only take one tiny 25mg pill at bedtime, and i think the usual effective dose is around 200mg+ for seroquel. Not to meantion that it has a very short half life and you have to take it twice a day normally.
Posted by Mr.Scott on December 7, 2002, at 11:59:58
In reply to Seroquel+adderall for worry/anxiety/dysphoria, posted by Joel on December 5, 2002, at 23:06:19
Has this interesting combo affected your weight or sexual functioning?
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