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Posted by Lebrada on September 27, 2007, at 9:38:02
(Anyone experience similar)?
Hi all,
Wondering if anyone has experienced the pro social/dis-inhibition when (Yes) taking Nardil (Taken for Generalised Social Phobia) with Alcohol?
I take 90mg Nardil/day and haven't experienced any side-effects re food interactions in 2 yrs)?
Typically I'm very reserved (when I dare to go out with the limited friends that I have too -nightclubs/social events for instance)
'BUT' interestingly...Nardil plus Alcohol usually results in me reaching a very sociable and dis-inhibited state where I do things or act in ways that I 'literally' could only ever dream or hope of - as someone with generalized SAD.
I've met many beautiful women in this state - with great outcomes - outcomes expected but never realized when I would typically be pumping with frightful adrenalin - the difference in state is like night and day...and I do like it!
(Don't think I would reach/achieve that through CBT)As for the difficulty to reach climax while on Nardil - well throwing a Viagra into the mix - makes for hours of fun (fun without Nardil - is more the ever-elusive)
I'm definitely not impulsive, typically - although this changes with the above mix - probably better described as 'very pro-social' state - that state that as a social phobic I see others experience - but always from afar.
The alcohol isn't much of a problem for me - I rarely drink - and never to excess but thankfully stumbled upon this, for me, positive outcome.
Mind you I have passed out previously with only two drinks ... and 0.5mg Klonopin; that did it for me, NO more Benzos for me thanks!
As for the Nardil....
Posted by blueboy on September 28, 2007, at 10:01:00
In reply to NARDIL ALCOHOL - THE PRO SOCIAL/DIS-INHIBITION MIX, posted by Lebrada on September 27, 2007, at 9:38:02
All I can say is, be on careful guard for alcoholism. It got me.
Alcohol is a superbly effective short-term anti-anxiety drug, particularly for social anxiety. People serve drinks at parties for a reason, LOL.
The problem is 1) the side effects, 2) possibility of addiction, and 3) dosage control (i.e. temptation to overdose).
If you do get addicted, it's a nasty one. Alcohol is the most physically addictive drug known, including heroin. It's the only drug that I know of, where an addict can die from withdrawal symptoms. Hospitals will actually give i.v. ethanol to alcoholics, to ease withdrawal symptoms.
It is also pretty high on the physical destructiveness scale; heavy chronic alcohol use is maybe worse for you than cigarettes, and a lot worse than heroin (but not as bad as say meth or Ecstasy).
Short-term, high blood alcohol levels are associated with voluntary or accidental homicide and suicide, especially when cars or guns are involved. Not to mention pregnancy, STD's, HIV, etc. It is dangerous in combination with other drugs, and is prevalent as a contributing factor in overdose deaths from other drugs. You can even die just from drinking too much. It's not likely, but it seems like every year some college student dies of alcohol poisoning.
Now the good news: Taken moderately (like one drink a day, @ 1 oz pure ethanol), alcohol is beneficial to your health and will lengthen your life expectancy! Plus your life will be happier as well as healthier. And a lot of people are able to drink alcohol in moderation their entire lives.
My personal feeling is that people with very high social anxiety and perhaps GAD are at increased risk of abusing alcohol. Also, people who are potential or practicing alcoholics are notably dishonest with themselves about having a problem.
So, that's my little parental alcohol lecture, LOL. I hope and pray you can drink in moderation and use it successfully to have a happier and healthier life, but be careful.
Posted by 2learnhelp on May 17, 2009, at 11:27:48
In reply to NARDIL ALCOHOL - THE PRO SOCIAL/DIS-INHIBITION MIX, posted by Lebrada on September 27, 2007, at 9:38:02
I can definitely relate your pro social disinhibition of nardil and alcohol . I am new to nardil about two months . How long have you been on it .
My real question is do you notice a serious reaction the day after drinking . Like your back to square one and nardil is doing nothing . This lasts for me about two days . Almost like the alcohol destroys the effect of nardil .
Any feed back would be appreciated .good luck and i,m glad your feeling better .
Posted by Lebrada on May 21, 2009, at 18:41:24
In reply to Re: NARDIL ALCOHOL - THE PRO SOCIAL/DIS-INHIBITION MIX » Lebrada, posted by 2learnhelp on May 17, 2009, at 11:27:48
> I can definitely relate your pro social disinhibition of nardil and alcohol . I am new to nardil about two months . How long have you been on it .
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> My real question is do you notice a serious reaction the day after drinking . Like your back to square one and nardil is doing nothing . This lasts for me about two days . Almost like the alcohol destroys the effect of nardil .
> Any feed back would be appreciated .good luck and i,m glad your feeling better .
>Hi, I hope this helps...
I found that Alcohol with Nardil could make me feel very confident, competent, assertive and VERY social (dis-inhibited) - the perfect state which is otherwise never experienced by someone who is strongly affected by 'Generalized Social Anxiety Disorder/SAD') - and perfect for when in social environments).
(Note: nothing else I have tried has ever been able to approach or replicate this state except for maybe Dexamphetamine...and I've tried Nardil, Parnate, Moclobemide, Clonazepam, Xanax, Lexapro, Prozac, Paxil, Amitriptyline, Clomipramine, Remeron, Buspirone, Bupropion, Reboxetine, Ritalin, Dexamphetamine etc (I only try prescribed medication and not street drugs etc)
For me, I found the Nardil only really useful when I combined it with alcohol (this I would only do when out on the town - without alcohol I found Nardil almost redundant bar the early stages/days - a rather hit and miss affair thereafter).There were days in the early stages where I could be quite talkative or pro-social but again this desired affect was not predictable and so not reliable.
With alcohol I found it had a very pro-social effect on me (felt like complete remission - alcohol alone would hardly ever have the same effect on me - note I only drink when out with friends - again I rarely drink otherwise).
Aside from the Nardil-Alcohol combination (i.e. during the day/work etc) I find Nardil rather inconsistant in the early stages/ first few months, before it eventually starts to fade in its effectiveness (aside from the afore-menioned combination).
I find that Nardil can cause rebound anxiety which can at times equate to Paranoia when anxiety levels are heightened (I have experienced this on more than a few occassions - this is VERY problematic and counter-productive - for example if experienced at work etc).
I never experienced any problems with diet (even when having Soya Sauce), however, I did experience weight gain. It also caused loss of Libido and complete ED...only survivable by adding Viagra which makes for a great experience although it can be a mission to come but again this is not the worst.
Would I recommend Nardil for Generalized SAD - not really - paranoia is a Bitch! It can work but is unpredictable and unreliable while also coming with a host of unwanted side-effects.
Good Luck!
Posted by HyperFocus on May 25, 2009, at 19:35:01
In reply to Re: NARDIL ALCOHOL - THE PRO SOCIAL/DIS-INHIBITION MIX, posted by Lebrada on May 21, 2009, at 18:41:24
I know you said you tried Klonopin with negative results due to the alcohol, but it seems to me that you might benefit greatly from a proper trial of a benzo - if not clonazepam then xanax or ativan - since alcohol has such a profound effect on your anxiety. Some people swear by Nardil + Klonopin for SA. Benzos might be more consistent and longer-lasting than alcohol. But alcohol would off-limits for a while during your trial.
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