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Posted by Marty on March 14, 2009, at 15:43:36
Bleauberry,
You seem to know your stuff about mercury detox. Having 16 big mercury amalgam in my mouth and matching a lot of Amalgam illness symtomps, I decided to try ALA (Alpha Lipoic Acid) to see if it would do something to me.. to see if there is something going on with me regarding mercury. I'm aware this isn't the best way to proceed and that it could have been dangerous, but I for now cannot even afford real tests.
ALA makes me feel somehow a little better when it's in my blood and a lot worst when it's out. I've been playing with it since 3 days and I feel like sick, tired, sleepy, moving slowly and like a old man, weird dreams in which I feel depressed, depressed in the morning etc... and at the same time, even if I still have my usual brain fog, something feels stimulated.. it's mostly visual. All of those effects aren't acute and stable and so I'm not sure how to interpret my test...
Would anyone not having mercury issues feels different that way on ALA ?
Any idea where I should go from there ? keep in mind I don't have much money available to me.
Thanks,
/\/\arty
Posted by bleauberry on March 14, 2009, at 21:27:22
In reply to @ Bleauberry, posted by Marty on March 14, 2009, at 15:43:36
The book Amalgam Illness by Phd Andrew Cutler is remommended.
There is debate whether chelation should be done while amalgams are still in place. Most agree it is not a good idea. Long story.
Whether your symptoms are redistribution of mercury or not I do not know. I only know that your description of symptoms fits the description of redistribution. That is, mercury is stirred up and sloshed around but only some of it is making its way to excretion, the rest is being dumped where ever.
If ALA is to be taken at all, it should be very low doses (6mg - 25mg) and needs to be taken in respect of its halflife to prevent redistribution, which means you gotta take it every 3 hours around the clock including interrupting sleep for a dose. It is important to have a steady blood level without peaks and valleys, which means every 3 hours 24/7. Most people do this in rounds...for example 3 days on, 4 days off.
You can help neutralize the bad effects of mercury by taking the supplements Selenium, Zinc, Vit C and E.
Posted by bleauberry on March 14, 2009, at 21:33:14
In reply to @ Bleauberry, posted by Marty on March 14, 2009, at 15:43:36
Forgot to mention. Obviously the best thing to do is get the amalgams replaced.
Do a google search in your area for Biological Dentists who specialize in amalgam removal. Many of them subscribe to loan programs that allow people who can't afford it to get financial assistance. The interest rates on the loans are much much lower than a bank or anywhere else. Payment plans are pretty flexible. Check it out. Explain your financial situation to a caring Biological Dentist and it would not surprise me if they adjust their fees downward for you.
Posted by Marty on March 14, 2009, at 22:40:30
In reply to Re: @ Bleauberry » Marty, posted by bleauberry on March 14, 2009, at 21:27:22
Hi Bleauberry
> Whether your symptoms are redistribution of
> mercury or not I do not know. I only know that
> your description of symptoms fits the
> description of redistribution.Yes, I understand what I'm doing is only about redistribution. So you think it looks like redistribution symptoms ? that part is important too me as the whole point of trying ALA is to see if it makes me feel bad/different (an indication of amalgam illness) .. I'll try to find a redistribution symptoms list on the web, but if you have a link pointing to this it would be very helpful.
> You can help neutralize the bad effects of
> mercury by taking the supplements Selenium,
> Zinc, Vit C and E.For now I won't take those as it could blunt my 'test' trial result. But I don't know if it's of any indication, but Selenium for me as a strange effect that even at low dose is reminiscent of strong dopamine antagonist ... knowing that mercury increase levels of dopamine (yes, while antagonizing D2 and some DA reuptake), this is very interesting. It would feel like a sudden reduction of dopaminergic activity. Wonder if that means I should get full time on selenium and see if things can get right after a while (proper regulation)..
Thanks for your answers Bleauberry,
/\/\arty
Posted by bleauberry on March 15, 2009, at 9:35:09
In reply to Re: @ Bleauberry » bleauberry, posted by Marty on March 14, 2009, at 22:40:30
I don't have a link to redistribution symptoms. I have gathered them primarily from viewing the posts of people undergoing various chelation protocols at yahoo chelation forums, and from the book Amalgam Illness. And from feeling them myself. The most common ones are brain fog, fatigue, and blue mood.
I do not believe most people have side effects to ALA, most especially if the dose is very small. If you are taking like 12.5mg to 25mg ALA and getting some strong symptoms...compared to suggested doses that are in the 100mg-200mg range...then yeah, it is in my mind highly suggestive of supporting a diagnosis. You shouldn't be feeling 12.5mg ALA unless something is wrong.
I understand how you feel about Selenium. I too am very sensitive to just about any supplement. I suspect it may be along the lines of what you implito nudge it feels very strong.
I was not aware of Selenium's action on the dopamine circuitry. I doubt it could be very strong, or otherwise lots of people would have felt it and commented on it. Even normal people would feel it. But I have never heard anyone say anything about it being calming, or activating, mood brightening, mood dulling, or anything. I don't seem to feel anything different when I take it. I stopped when I ran out and felt no difference.
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