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Posted by Elizabeth on March 1, 2002, at 21:39:36
> Please don't jump to conclusions about others, post anything that they could take as accusatory, or put others down. You could've made your points without making it so personal, and that would've been fine.
Dr. Bob,
I can understand why you objected to my post, but I also feel unfairly singled out. Take a look at the post I was responding to (http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20020222/msgs/95479.html). Was Jane (jazzdog) being civil there?
You said I was being accusatory. Jane accused those who disagreed with her (in a post specifically directed at me) of having "already made up their minds." Did I jump to conclusions? Jane diagnosed her opponents with having "denial issues" (a typical example of an insult thinly cloaked in psychological jargon -- a pet peeve of mine, sorry). You say that I was making it personal? Jane never attacked the arguments made by myself or others -- just the people.
Up to that point, I had made a special effort to be polite to Jane (even though she'd been saying some things that I found rather condescending). I was upset when she didn't bother to show me the same courtesy. I should have kept my temper. But I also think that she shouldn't have provoked me in the first place, and I don't understand why it should be okay for her to do the same things for which you've chastised me.
-elizabeth
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 3, 2002, at 4:19:25
In reply to Re: civil? » Dr. Bob, posted by Elizabeth on March 1, 2002, at 21:39:36
> Jane accused those who disagreed with her (in a post specifically directed at me) of having "already made up their minds."
> Up to that point, I had made a special effort to be polite to Jane... I should have kept my temper. But I also think that she shouldn't have provoked me in the first place, and I don't understand why it should be okay for her to do the same things for which you've chastised me.
Here's the thing. She was responding to you, but in her post referred not to you specifically, but only to "those who have already made up their minds". Maybe it's a little thing, but there you have it.
Thanks for your efforts to be polite and to keep your temper. Think of it as being reminded rather than chastised? :-)
Bob
Posted by Elizabeth on March 9, 2002, at 11:43:26
In reply to Re: civil?, posted by Dr. Bob on March 3, 2002, at 4:19:25
[sorry about the late response]
> Here's the thing. She was responding to you, but in her post referred not to you specifically, but only to "those who have already made up their minds". Maybe it's a little thing, but there you have it.
I do think it's a little thing. I could have been -- umm, let's say "indirect -- too; that wouldn't make the things I said any nicer. But anyway, regardless of who Jane was referring to, I think that she said some things that were uncalled for. I would have been equally distressed if she'd directed her post at someone else. I don't think that nasty postings become acceptable simply because a target is not specified. Whoever Jane was talking about, the sorts of things she said went well beyond merely being argumentative.
> Thanks for your efforts to be polite and to keep your temper. Think of it as being reminded rather than chastised? :-)
Eh, whatever :-)
-elizabeth
Posted by Zo on March 9, 2002, at 20:08:52
In reply to Re: civil?, posted by Dr. Bob on March 3, 2002, at 4:19:25
It is a little hard to bear. Singling out Elizabeth at all.
What about intention? And trust over time? Shouldn't these things count? And, as well, free your energy to concentrate elsewhere?
In fact, isn't that what trust does?
I think it's a gift, to the board, that she's here---which I know you already know---and I sympathize with why your PBCs wrankle.
Zo
Posted by spike4848.5 on March 9, 2002, at 20:17:06
In reply to Re: civil? » Dr. Bob, posted by Elizabeth on March 1, 2002, at 21:39:36
Dr Bob,
I completely agree with elizabeth here. Once again, your standards for civility seem to vary daily.
Spike's Twin Brother,
Spike4848.5
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