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Posted by Lou Pilder on October 1, 2004, at 18:54:45
Friends,
I am asking that no one post anymore about the 3-post rule or about me. I want you all to find the support that you are looking for.
So go on and sing a new song. A song of laughter. A song of joy.
My apologies to those that were offended by me posting more than 3 successive posts and asking for clarification of things to the moderator and those that wrote to me.
Reasonable people disagree and there are misundestandings. But misunderstandings can be cleared up.
Going back to this or any part of this will not be supportive. Let us bury the past and go on. Let forgivness be known about you. Today you could be in Paradise.
Lou
Posted by Dinah on October 1, 2004, at 19:22:39
In reply to Lou leaves the community, posted by Lou Pilder on October 1, 2004, at 18:54:45
And I hope that if you wish to return you feel free to do so. (I've certainly done it often enough.)
But if not, I wish you all the best in whatever you do in life. I do understand.
(Did you ever tell me what instrument you thought I was in the Babble orchestra? I remember a long ago conversation. You can ignore the question if you like.)
(((Lou)))
May God bless you and keep you.
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 1, 2004, at 19:39:55
In reply to I'm very sad » Lou Pilder, posted by Dinah on October 1, 2004, at 19:22:39
Dinah,
I would not want you to be sad. I am leaving so that you can all forget this. I could return as I always have and hope to do.
But now is the time for all to look to the future. That is why I must go now, so that healing can occure.
When I see the PB orchestra, I see Dinah playing her xzylophone.
Lou
Posted by TofuEmmy on October 1, 2004, at 23:01:02
In reply to Lou leaves the community, posted by Lou Pilder on October 1, 2004, at 18:54:45
Lou - I am also sad to see you leave, Lou. I hope you have other sources of social support in your life to use. I'm sorry you were not able to find that here at this time. Please take care of yourself.
Emmy
Posted by All Done on October 1, 2004, at 23:57:37
In reply to Lou leaves the community, posted by Lou Pilder on October 1, 2004, at 18:54:45
(((Lou))),
I'm terribly sorry that you are leaving. I hope it's only temporary, but I understand that you have to do what's right for you.
Keep taking good care of yourself, Lou.
Laurie
Posted by gardenergirl on October 2, 2004, at 1:30:23
In reply to Re: Lou leaves the community » Lou Pilder, posted by All Done on October 1, 2004, at 23:57:37
Lou,
I think diversity is a valuable thing, and you bring a poignant and stimulating perspective to Babble. I will miss that.I wish you well. Perhaps we might run into each other in town someday and recognize each others' souls.
Be well,
gg
Posted by Atticus on October 2, 2004, at 13:42:24
In reply to Lou leaves the community, posted by Lou Pilder on October 1, 2004, at 18:54:45
Posted by SLS on October 2, 2004, at 17:56:31
In reply to Lou leaves the community, posted by Lou Pilder on October 1, 2004, at 18:54:45
Dear Lou,
It is not necessary for you to leave the board for the sake of the board. The debate regarding posting limits will continue despite your absence. Your leaving will serve no useful purpose to the health of the community. As has been so eloquently indicated by others, it can only be diminished.
I doubt that there is anything I can say to change you mind. You already know that I hold you in high regard. I am probably most responsible for the change in policy here, and I am sorry that I may have caused you any injury. That was not my intention. It is true that your posting behavior demonstrated to me a need for setting limits. However, at that point, the issue was no longer about you personally. In my opinion, it was about the dynamics of interaction and the readability of the board. It was about the protection of the community from vandalism. I feel that any further debate should focus on these issues rather than the events that led up to their recognition.
I hope you reconsider your intentions of leaving the community if they are based solely on your beliefs that it would be in its best interests. It wouldn’t. If you feel that it would be in your best interests, I would hope that it be only a temporary absence. In the meantime, it will be our loss.
Peace be with you.
- Scott
Posted by TofuEmmy on October 2, 2004, at 18:17:57
In reply to Re: Lou leaves the community » Lou Pilder, posted by SLS on October 2, 2004, at 17:56:31
Scott - There is only one person responsible for policy changes at Babble and it ain't Scott! :-) So, please don't shoulder that.
Your post was lovely. Emmy
Posted by AuntieMel on October 2, 2004, at 18:52:27
In reply to Re: I'm very sad » Dinah, posted by Lou Pilder on October 1, 2004, at 19:39:55
You can leave, but I for one will not forget.
Every time I see someone get driven away I lose comfort from babble.
I am ashamed.
Posted by tabitha on October 2, 2004, at 20:16:18
In reply to Re: There is no forgetting » Lou Pilder, posted by AuntieMel on October 2, 2004, at 18:52:27
I don't know why you say Lou was driven away. Several people have begged him to stay. It looks to me as if support for Lou is at an all-time high. Lou is a guy who's been blocked for most of the last couple years. Yet he comes back time and time again. (Lou, if you're reading, let me say I admire your persistence.) And this is a community that gives 2nd chances, and 3rd and 4th and Nth chances. There are supporters for everyone here.
So here's Lou again, he isn't blocked, people are reaching out to support him, it looks as if he's achieved more acceptance than ever, yet he decides to leave anyway. Why? I don't know, but I'd say there's something more complex than a simple villagers-with-torches scenario going on here.
Posted by Dinah on October 2, 2004, at 21:14:50
In reply to Re: There is no forgetting » AuntieMel, posted by tabitha on October 2, 2004, at 20:16:18
That's the thing that made me happy! That there were so many people who reached out to Lou.
That being said, I certainly understand Lou's position, and think if I had half a lick of common sense I'd join him in leaving.
Posted by tabitha on October 2, 2004, at 21:56:19
In reply to Re: There is no forgetting, posted by Dinah on October 2, 2004, at 21:14:50
You leaving? What, over the 3-post thing? There are 12 open boards here, so if you max out your limit that means you get 36 new threads, plus 3 consecutive replies to each existing thread. Say there are 100 active threads, so that's 300 more posts. And that doesn't even count archived threads. Conceivably you could dredge up each and every one of them and post 3 times on the end of each of them. By the time you were done, think of all the replies there would be, and you could tack on 3 more posts in response to each one. I'll bet a person could post day and night non-stop and never truly hit the limit.
Posted by AuntieMel on October 2, 2004, at 23:31:37
In reply to Re: There is no forgetting, posted by Dinah on October 2, 2004, at 21:14:50
Thank you for understanding, Dinah. You were right in what you said to Dr. Bob - it isn't that people accept the new rules, it's that we just get so tired of fighting.
Heck, some of us are fighting to stay alive.
We are, most of us, square pegs. Lou is a pentagon peg, and that extra side makes makes some uncomfortable.
While I find what has happened here uncomfortable.
I guess I'm getting tired of fighting again....just very, very sad.
Posted by alexandra_k on October 3, 2004, at 2:38:31
In reply to Lou leaves the community, posted by Lou Pilder on October 1, 2004, at 18:54:45
I am sorry Lou. I hope that you come to see that the situation is based on a misunderstanding and that when that happens it can always be changed and sorted out.
I hope to see you back here someday.
I am sorry if I hurt you or caused you offence.
It never was personal; and I didn't realise how much the change in rule personally affected you.
Posted by karaS on October 3, 2004, at 2:39:12
In reply to Lou leaves the community, posted by Lou Pilder on October 1, 2004, at 18:54:45
I am very sad too.
I see both sides of this debate and I agree with so many different things that have been said by both sides. On balance, however, I still think that there is an overall need for this new policy.
There isn't much I can add to what Scott has already written but I would like to add my voice to the choir in asking that Lou reconsider.
I have seen a lot of warmth and intelligence in Lou's posts and I definitely think that this community will be less well off for his not being here.
Kara
Posted by Dinah on October 3, 2004, at 8:32:14
In reply to Re: There is no forgetting » Dinah, posted by AuntieMel on October 2, 2004, at 23:31:37
It always makes me sad when this happens. And the fact that in many ways it wasn't as bad this time makes it bittersweet.
(I'll bet it means a lot to Lou that you understand. It does to me too.)
I get very weary myself sometimes.
Posted by Dinah on October 3, 2004, at 8:36:05
In reply to Re: There is no forgetting » Dinah, posted by tabitha on October 2, 2004, at 21:56:19
I chose not to leave. I just don't think I made a good decision, that's all.
I agree with what you said, I tried to say it to Dr. Bob. I respect Lou that he refuses to go that route.
I think I've run out of ways to describe why I'm overreacting in the eyes of most, so I'm not going to try any more. Sometimes that blasted gift of mine is quite a curse.
Posted by AuntieMel on October 3, 2004, at 21:51:00
In reply to Re: There is no forgetting » tabitha, posted by Dinah on October 3, 2004, at 8:36:05
Posted by bobby on October 4, 2004, at 7:23:48
In reply to Lou leaves the community, posted by Lou Pilder on October 1, 2004, at 18:54:45
I've enjoyed reading about the rider on the white horse and you have a good sense of humor.
Posted by alesta on October 4, 2004, at 9:48:44
In reply to Re: There is no forgetting » tabitha, posted by Dinah on October 3, 2004, at 8:36:05
> I chose not to leave. I just don't think I made a good decision, that's all.
>
> I agree with what you said, I tried to say it to Dr. Bob. I respect Lou that he refuses to go that route.
>
> I think I've run out of ways to describe why I'm overreacting in the eyes of most, so I'm not going to try any more. Sometimes that blasted gift of mine is quite a curse.hi dinah,
are you doing okay? i'm really sorry if i upset you in any way, if i had a hand in that. i never meant to upset you. last time i was in an administrative discussion i became nearly suicidal, i was so distraught. and it deeply affected my relationships with others. it really seems impossible for people not to get hurt in these discussions. i personally think having an administrative forum is more damaging to the community than any uncivil comment. (dr. bob, please take note of this.) but, anyway, back to you, if i was insensitive, i'm sorry. i would say more, but i'm not sure what to say to make things better..i don't think you were overreacting, in retrospect, and i'm glad you made the decision to stay. if there's anything else i can do or say, please let me know..take care,:)
amy
Posted by tabitha on October 4, 2004, at 13:54:17
In reply to Re: There is no forgetting » tabitha, posted by Dinah on October 3, 2004, at 8:36:05
Hey Dinah, I was just trying to make you laugh with my silliness about subverting the posting limit. It wasn't meant as a comment on your reactiveness, and I'm sorry if it sounded that way. Clearly the 3-post thing pushed a big button for you, and I know how bad that can feel.
This is the end of the thread.
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