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Posted by Dinah on January 9, 2005, at 12:18:52
In reply to Re: Re:, posted by 64bowtie on January 9, 2005, at 11:50:42
I should, of course, let Lou speak for himself. But I don't think he wants *us* to do anything, except maybe accept him and understand what he's trying to say. And if not understand it, then at least understand that it's important to him.
I think he'd like Dr. Bob to change the Faith Board guidelines. I've never had a whole heck of a lot of luck getting Dr. Bob to change his mind, but there's no rule saying you can't try.
But what harm does it do, really? I'm quite certain the same issues come up for me over and over on the Psychology Board. I'm not as familiar with other boards, but I'd not be surprised if the same issues came up for the same posters on Relationship or even Meds. If people get sick of me talking about this or that, they can just skip my this or that posts.
Posted by Gabbix2 on January 9, 2005, at 17:24:49
In reply to » Dr Bob » Lou is doing it again!!!, posted by 64bowtie on January 9, 2005, at 2:39:36
It offends me greatly that you speak about Lou as if he can't read what you're writing, Rod,
and that you post it publically. We are all here because we struggle, and if you find someone's personality too much for you to handle, or think something should be changed, I wish you would e-mail dr. Bob about it, or babble mail others privately instead of posting it here.
I also wish you would realize that perhaps others feel the same way about *you* or me or any other poster but it doesn't give us the right to engage in something I would find to be humiliating.
Posted by Dinah on January 9, 2005, at 18:50:03
In reply to Re: ^64 Bowtie, posted by Gabbix2 on January 9, 2005, at 17:24:49
Gabbi's got a point, Lou. I really should have let you answer for yourself. I was just feeling a bit protective. Hope it didn't make you feel uncomfortable.
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 9, 2005, at 19:55:29
In reply to Lou, posted by Dinah on January 9, 2005, at 18:50:03
Dinah,
You wrote,[...I...should have let you answer for yourself...].
I read your post and I would have written basically the same. Thanks for writing what you did.
Lou
Posted by 64bowtie on January 10, 2005, at 0:47:45
In reply to Re: ^64 Bowtie, posted by Gabbix2 on January 9, 2005, at 17:24:49
Hmmmmmmm..... my issue here is one of boundaries. We must all work together to keep our workspace clean and free of inappropriate clutter. Else, this forum stops being what it was intended for. As I said in my "Re: Re:" post: we get it! Now can he (anyone to which it might apply) please stop complaining and start asking for what it is they want changed? We do get it! We understand thoroughly what his complaint is about! Time to move on to the next step here and do whatever it takes thats within our mandate and pervue to help the posting person with their concern. Listinening incessantly to continuous repeats of the underlying philosophy is the tail wagging the dog here at Admin. Seems to me that being incessant about faith works much better at the Faith Board.
> It offends me greatly that you speak about Lou as if he can't read what you're writing, Rod,
<<< Please....., Please....., Please....., Please....., accept my apology if I have some how offended you personally. Please also tell me which post and what board was it at? If you insist on maintaining that my asking for points of order here at the admin board is offensive to you, will you please explain as best you can to me at my email sight dr10day-lifecoach at yahoo dot com? I'm not denying my ability to offend. Clearly I want to get help seeing it so I don't do it again.
<<< I ask that the admin board be reserved for issues and not be used as a forum for wandering through with another layer of the same philosophy that was already layed out in it's proper forum. This laxing of boundaries inevitably leads to clutter here at admin. Where will it ever end? Otherwise, why doesn't DrBob just drop all the other boards and just have "Admin"?
> I also wish you would realize that perhaps others feel the same way about *you*...
<<< Are you certain you want to go down this path? If you do, you've got my e-mail address.
<<< Please help me keep some level of decorum amongst us. Babble requires that we act responsibly. I have been acting responsibly, both here and on other boards. Tell me. How can I be seen as offensive and responsible at the same time? How does that work.
Y'all have my e-mail address.....
Rod
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 10, 2005, at 1:11:28
In reply to Re: Re: » 64bowtie, posted by Dinah on January 9, 2005, at 12:18:52
Very well said Dinah
> I should, of course, let Lou speak for himself. But I don't think he wants *us* to do anything, except maybe accept him and understand what he's trying to say. And if not understand it, then at least understand that it's important to him.
>
> I think he'd like Dr. Bob to change the Faith Board guidelines. I've never had a whole heck of a lot of luck getting Dr. Bob to change his mind, but there's no rule saying you can't try.
>
> But what harm does it do, really? I'm quite certain the same issues come up for me over and over on the Psychology Board. I'm not as familiar with other boards, but I'd not be surprised if the same issues came up for the same posters on Relationship or even Meds. If people get sick of me talking about this or that, they can just skip my this or that posts.
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 10, 2005, at 1:17:27
In reply to Re: ^64 Bowtie, posted by Gabbix2 on January 9, 2005, at 17:24:49
Gabbix2 you always have such an awesome way with words and how you express yourself. I too am offended
> It offends me greatly that you speak about Lou as if he can't read what you're writing, Rod,
> and that you post it publically. We are all here because we struggle, and if you find someone's personality too much for you to handle, or think something should be changed, I wish you would e-mail dr. Bob about it, or babble mail others privately instead of posting it here.
> I also wish you would realize that perhaps others feel the same way about *you* or me or any other poster but it doesn't give us the right to engage in something I would find to be humiliating.
Posted by 64bowtie on January 10, 2005, at 1:37:02
In reply to Re: Re: » 64bowtie, posted by Dinah on January 9, 2005, at 12:18:52
(((Dinah))),
The posting at the bottom will clarify.
Except, I wasn't talking to Lou. I was talking to DrBob about Lou. If you were talking to DrBob about me, I'd let you without contempt. You can talk to whomever you choose to about whomever you need to. Please let me do the same.
I am asking for a point of order here. I'm not "dissing" Lou to ask DrBob a question about Lou. Niether would you be guilty of "dissing" me if you asked DrBob a question about me.
Be aware that boundaries are an intellectual abstract concept with a label that seems very physical. Example seems to be the only source of insight leading to appropriate results accross all populations. So, that said, let this be an example of the violation of a boundaary, rightly or wrongly.
I pass no judgement as to Lou's goodness or badness. I do report that Lou has encroached on a boundary! Feeling "dissed" misses the message. I am not reporting a judgement, a moral evaluation. I am reporting that the boundary has been transgressed, and Lou was the do-er of the transgression of the boundary. That makes no claim as to feelings of goodness or badness.
If DrBob doesn't see it that way, that's OK by me. What Lou sees is held in suspension until DrBob gets involved. If what I see doesn't match-up with what Lou sees, that may or may need to be sorted out later. It'll then be up to Lou and his ability to see.
Carefull! I didn't say what Lou feels. I said, "What Lou sees!"....
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041218/msgs/439988.html
Rod
Posted by 64bowtie on January 10, 2005, at 1:43:20
In reply to Re: ^64 Bowtie » Gabbix2, posted by Fallen4MyT on January 10, 2005, at 1:17:27
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> I too am offended
><<< Please accept my apology for anything personal that offended you personally...
Rod
Posted by MKB on January 10, 2005, at 5:21:12
In reply to Re: Re: » Gabbix2, posted by 64bowtie on January 10, 2005, at 0:47:45
Posted by Dinah on January 10, 2005, at 7:12:31
In reply to Re: Re: » Dinah, posted by 64bowtie on January 10, 2005, at 1:37:02
Rod, Believe it or not, I was also trying to help you.
Posted by AuntieMel on January 10, 2005, at 13:54:59
In reply to Re: Re: » Gabbix2, posted by 64bowtie on January 10, 2005, at 0:47:45
I would like to discuss this with you offline if you want.
AuntieMel at gmail dotcom
I don't think I have your email....
Posted by AuntieMel on January 10, 2005, at 13:57:00
In reply to Hey Rod » 64bowtie, posted by AuntieMel on January 10, 2005, at 13:54:59
A wise person once told me:
"You do not have it in your power to change others. The only thing in your power to change is how you react to others."
It's true, though really hard to put into pracrice.
grin.....
Posted by gardenergirl on January 10, 2005, at 14:20:55
In reply to Re: Re: » Gabbix2, posted by 64bowtie on January 10, 2005, at 0:47:45
> Hmmmmmmm..... my issue here is one of boundaries. We must all work together to keep our workspace clean and free of inappropriate clutter.
Rod, what is clutter to one might be an essential tool to someone else. I believe the diversity of Babble is a thing to be valued.
>As I said in my "Re: Re:" post: we get it!
I wonder if Lou really feels that we do get it. I know there are times when my T thinks he gets it, and I have to correct him and try again. I figure my clients feel the same way about me. The feeling of being understood is hugely therapeutic, and fits in with Maslow's hierarchy of needs under love and belonging.
> please stop complaining and start asking for what it is they want changed?
Like Dinah said, I don't even think that Lou's concerns are for the group to decide. He is asking Dr. Bob for changes. And I think he is most often quite specific in what he wants to see changed. He and Dr. Bob do not appear to be on the same page with this, but I do think Lou is offering a proposed solution. >
> I have been acting responsibly, both here and on other boards. Tell me. How can I be seen as offensive and responsible at the same time? How does that work.
Content and process, Rod. Apples and oranges.
I can hear how frustrated you are about this issue. I'm not sure what it is exactly that bothers you so about this in particular. I may have overlooked previous posts, but have you asked Lou what his goal is?
gg
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 10, 2005, at 16:31:29
In reply to Re: Re: » 64bowtie, posted by gardenergirl on January 10, 2005, at 14:20:55
Friends,
It has been written here that [...if we do get it...].
I have not yet posted what has been revealed to me in my faith experiance as to what enables one to overcome. That I hope to do . In the future I hope to write all of what has been revealed to me in regards to:
A.What is death
B.What is the Lake of Fire
C.What was revealed to me as to what [...I am the way, the Truth and the life...]means
D. Who the Jesus of christiandom is
E. Why the jews have not been replaced
F. The resurrection of the dead and from the dead
G. What the church is
H. What the new birth is and how it happens.
K. The City of Peace
L. Other needed infomation aboutwhat has been revealed to me.
As of now, I have only given a very brief introduction to the culminating ending.
So as to anyone knowing from what I have already written what the ending is, I do not think that I have written what has been revealed to me in enough content for one to know that.
Lou
Posted by Fallen4MyT on January 10, 2005, at 19:44:20
In reply to Please accept my apology for anything personal » Fallen4MyT, posted by 64bowtie on January 10, 2005, at 1:43:20
Accepted no problem
> >
> > I too am offended
> >
>
> <<< Please accept my apology for anything personal that offended you personally...
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> Rod
Posted by mcp on January 10, 2005, at 21:57:45
In reply to Lou's response -wedoget » gardenergirl, posted by Lou Pilder on January 10, 2005, at 16:31:29
Lou, just curious, what is holding you back from sharing the full extent of your epiphany? I have seen you allude to this in the past and I was just curious what is holding you back. Are we not ready for it?
> Friends,
> It has been written here that [...if we do get it...].
> I have not yet posted what has been revealed to me in my faith experiance as to what enables one to overcome. That I hope to do . In the future I hope to write all of what has been revealed to me in regards to:
> A.What is death
> B.What is the Lake of Fire
> C.What was revealed to me as to what [...I am the way, the Truth and the life...]means
> D. Who the Jesus of christiandom is
> E. Why the jews have not been replaced
> F. The resurrection of the dead and from the dead
> G. What the church is
> H. What the new birth is and how it happens.
> K. The City of Peace
> L. Other needed infomation aboutwhat has been revealed to me.
> As of now, I have only given a very brief introduction to the culminating ending.
> So as to anyone knowing from what I have already written what the ending is, I do not think that I have written what has been revealed to me in enough content for one to know that.
> Lou
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 11, 2005, at 0:10:36
In reply to Re: Re: » Dinah, posted by 64bowtie on January 10, 2005, at 1:37:02
> this lack of decorum here on the Admin board
> continuous repeats of the underlying philosophy ... being incessant about faith
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
If you or others have questions about this or about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways of expressing yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Follow-ups regarding these issues, as well as replies to the above posts, should of course themselves be civil.
--
> my issue here is one of boundaries.
>
> I am reporting that the boundary has been transgressed, and Lou was the do-er of the transgression of the boundary.I agree that boundaries are important. Here, for example, (1) discussions should focus on administration and (2) there are those 3-post rules. Do you think Lou's focused more on faith than on administration? If so, could you give me an example? In an email if you want...
--
Your experience is that boundaries are being transgressed. Not to deflect this discussion, but would you be willing to consider whether you've been in situations like that in the past?
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 11, 2005, at 0:11:21
In reply to Re: Lou's response -wedoget, posted by mcp on January 10, 2005, at 21:57:45
> I have not yet posted what has been revealed to me in my faith experiance as to what enables one to overcome. That I hope to do .
>
> Lou> what is holding you back from sharing the full extent of your epiphany?
>
> mcpLou may in part be held back by policies here. Which do apply to others, too. Hmm...
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 11, 2005, at 6:12:17
In reply to Re: what has been revealed to me, posted by Dr. Bob on January 11, 2005, at 0:11:21
> > I have not yet posted what has been revealed to me in my faith experiance as to what enables one to overcome. That I hope to do .
> >
> > Lou
>
> > what is holding you back from sharing the full extent of your epiphany?
> >
> > mcp
>
> Lou may in part be held back by policies here. Which do apply to others, too. Hmm...
>
> BobDr. Hsiung,
You wrote in the above,[...Lou...held back by polices here...apply to others,too. {Humm}...].
Could you clarify what the {Humm} at the end of your statement could mean? Does it mean any of the following?
1A.I am considering revising the policies for the faith board
2A. I have been thinking that maybe the policies have not applied to others
1B. I have been thinking that maybe Lou could be allowed to write what he says has been revealed to him, and not be held back.
2B. I have been thinking to allow Lou to revise the policies for the faith board
1C a combination of the above
2C None of the above
If you could clarify the above, then I could have the opportunity to know what the {Humm} at the end of your statement could mean and reply accordingly.
Lou Pilder
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 11, 2005, at 20:21:58
In reply to Lou's response to Dr. Hsiung's post-Humm » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on January 11, 2005, at 6:12:17
> Could you clarify what the {Humm} at the end of your statement could mean?
It could mean re-evaluating how the policies are applied. Let's see how it goes?
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 11, 2005, at 20:59:34
In reply to Re: Lou's response, posted by Dr. Bob on January 11, 2005, at 20:21:58
Dr. Hsiung,
You wrote that [...it could mean re-valuating...].
Is that (1A)? Could I suggest that you also use (2B),[allowing me to have input if you revise the guidlines]?
Lou
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 12, 2005, at 20:50:51
In reply to Lou's reply to Dr. Hsiung's reply to Lou-1A » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on January 11, 2005, at 20:59:34
> Could I suggest that you also use (2B),[allowing me to have input if you revise the guidlines]?
Whenever I do anything, everyone is allowed to have input. :-)
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 12, 2005, at 21:28:45
In reply to Re: Lou's reply, posted by Dr. Bob on January 12, 2005, at 20:50:51
Dr. Hsiung,
You wrote about considering 2B. I understand that that includes others input here also.
My first suggestion is that the opening page of the faith board be erased and the opening page read untill it is revised:
CLOSED FOR REVISION
I feel that if the page is closed while in the state of revision, that others could have the opportunity to make suggestions for the revision.
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on January 12, 2005, at 21:58:20
In reply to Lou's reply to Dr. Hsiung's reply to Lou-clorevisn » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on January 12, 2005, at 21:28:45
Dr. Hsiung,
Now I am not intending that the faith forum be closed, but only that the opening page be closed. There could be a link offered on the new opening page to the old opening page so that the old guidlines are still in effect untill the new guidlines are written.
Lou Pilder
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