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Posted by so on July 18, 2005, at 13:24:34
How many more visitors of this site will die before someone notices that Robert Hsiung is promoting an evironment that encourages suicide?
The string of suicidal deaths among former guests of this site is evidence of his covert desire to see others' lives crumble, while he revels in the wealth and power afforded those who support chemical manufacturers.
The persistant environment of suicide will invitably contribute to an atmosphere where suicide is acceptable, and where those promoting suicide warfare will have a pool of willing recruits.
This man needs to be stopped. NOW.
Posted by Racer on July 18, 2005, at 14:42:31
In reply to Robert Hsiung promotes suicide, posted by so on July 18, 2005, at 13:24:34
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> This man needs to be stopped. NOW.Why are you so fixated on the man who created this site? What is he to you, that you are so passionately opposed to him that you advocate destroying what he has created here?
And, by the way, while I'm not going to ask that anything be done about it, because I don't think it's really that important in the whole scheme of things, but I was quite offended by this post. It seems quite gratuitous to me, and seems rather inconsiderate of the rest of us who read and post on this site.
Posted by so on July 18, 2005, at 14:57:15
In reply to Again, what is your motivation? » so, posted by Racer on July 18, 2005, at 14:42:31
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> > This man needs to be stopped. NOW.
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> Why are you so fixated on the man who created this site? What is he to you, that you are so passionately opposed to him that you advocate destroying what he has created here?I am concerned about licensed medical practitioners who are contibuting to an enviornment where suicide is increasing and where suicidal homicide is becoming normal. He is a dangerous operator to me -- no different than a member of an opposing army running loose where he presents a threat to my allied forces. I absolutely advocate shutdown of his machinery of death. That you feel good today, and occassionally reach toward reason doesn't mean on the next swing, you will be prepared to use your inflamed emotions for a productive purpose. Keep trying, you might learn to, but you'll need to find a setting where you can recognize and undo the damage done in a psuedo-therapeutic environment where your every thought is labeled as "Babble".
> And, by the way, while I'm not going to ask that anything be done about it, because I don't think it's really that important in the whole scheme of things, but I was quite offended by this post. It seems quite gratuitous to me, and seems rather inconsiderate of the rest of us who read and post on this site.
>Since it is your potential suicide I am concerned about, perhaps you could be a bit more greatful, but I don't need your approval. I've watched him repeatedly excuse your violation of his terms of service in the past few weeks. If he enforced his rules consistently you wouldn't be posting here today. I know exactly the kind of loyalty this perverted administration of justice builds. I watch you vascilate between attempts at reason and emotional outbursts, always with your hurt feelings as the cause for action.
Posted by Racer on July 18, 2005, at 20:29:06
In reply to Re: Saving lives is my motive » Racer, posted by so on July 18, 2005, at 14:57:15
I realize that I'm answering someone who has been blocked, but he or she can still read, so I'll go ahead anyway. If nothing else, I was greatly bothered by this, and really want to express my reaction.
I'll try to do so with civility.
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> > > > Since it is your potential suicide I am concerned about, perhaps you could be a bit more greatful, but I don't need your approval.Of course you don't need my approval. And you have the right to express your beliefs.
As for trying to prevent my death by suicide, that's a different matter, and I will not be grateful to you for your actions here. Partly, that's because I can't see how your actions here would protect me. Mostly, though, because it feels like an intrusion, to me, as though you believe that you know, better than I, what I need "for my own good."
In fact, it reminds me very much of the real life problem that I had with someone I met from this site -- I mentioned that above, in response to what Gardenergirl wrote about Projective Identification? In that case, a woman who had been a contributor here "advised" me very strongly to believe and behave according to her beliefs, not my own. She equated her experience with an ex-boyfriend with my erst-while problems with my husband, and told me that I should leave him -- continuing that sort of pressure even AFTER I told her that we were making progress in working out problems out. That's only one aspect of the trouble that occurred, but it's the clearest illustration of her projecting her feelings/objects/beliefs onto me. The whole situation ended when I told her that I needed some quiet time alone, with no contact via telephone or email, just some down time. In response to my request for down time, she called my cell phone nine or ten times in one day, and sent a dozen emails -- all telling me that she understood my need for quiet time and was supporting me in it! When I told her that I didn't find that behavior supportive, and really needed NO telephone calls, NO voicemails, NO emails, she attacked me being a terrible person, with profound psychopathology, etc.
This same person then proceeded to post about me on another mental health related bulletin board, stating that she was "watching a close friend" slowly die of an eating disorder! The only contact that she had had with me of any sort whatsoever for several months at that time had been what she read on this site, which was damaging to me. I felt as though I had lost a very valuable resource because of this, because I felt as though this woman was watching over my shoulder as I wrote -- it felt very much like being stalked.
Maybe that experience just makes me a little hypersensitive to this sort of thing, but I am still bothered by feeling as though someone else out there, someone I do not know or choose not to know, has appointed him or herself as my guardian in some way.
So, I will not thank you for my portion in your concern.
>> I've watched him repeatedly excuse your violation of his terms of service in the past few weeks. If he enforced his rules consistently you wouldn't be posting here today. I know exactly the kind of loyalty this perverted administration of justice builds. I watch you vascilate between attempts at reason and emotional outbursts, always with your hurt feelings as the cause for action.
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>I am going to answer this, too. Frankly, I was surprised that I wasn't blocked over the weekend. I did go too far, and I should have exerted more self-control in what I wrote.
I suspect, strongly, that the reason I wasn't blocked has nothing to do with favoritism on the part of Dr Bob, but probably has a lot to do with the fact that I apologized, and tried to rephrase what I said in a more civil manner, and -- in general -- TOOK RESPONSIBILITY for what I had done.
I can't speak for Dr Bob, but based on what I've seen in the past, my guess is that he looks at whether or not someone willfully flouts the rules, or refuses to accept responsibility for his or her actions.
Again, I may be in the minority, but I don't see Dr Bob's responses to be all that arbitrary. Mostly, they make sense to me -- regardless whether I agree with them or not.
I do feel rather attacked, by the way, as this is the second or third time you've implied that I was somehow singled out by Dr Bob for special treatment. While I suppose that it might be flattering to some for this sort of attention to be focussed my way, I don't find it flattering. I find it discomforting, rather as being stalked in real life might feel.
No, I'm not accusing anyone of stalking me. Just trying to describe how I feel right now, after reading this thread.
Posted by Deneb on July 18, 2005, at 20:43:22
In reply to Robert Hsiung promotes suicide, posted by so on July 18, 2005, at 13:24:34
Hmmmm...I'm not sure that he *promotes* it. I think maybe he is just indifferent.
It doesn't matter to me. It's nice that he's indifferent...if he is indifferent that is.
I'm sure he doesn't really want people to die, but if people die, it is probably not a big deal for him. People have the right to kill themselves...it would be wrong to intrude upon people's autonomy.
If Dr. Bob wishes death upon me, so be it. :-)
He doesn't control me. (But it sure is nice to know that he doesn't wish death upon me.)
Deneb
Posted by alexandra_k on July 18, 2005, at 21:00:28
In reply to Re: Saving lives is my motive, posted by Racer on July 18, 2005, at 20:29:06
> I suspect, strongly, that the reason I wasn't blocked has nothing to do with favoritism on the part of Dr Bob, but probably has a lot to do with the fact that I apologized, and tried to rephrase what I said in a more civil manner, and -- in general -- TOOK RESPONSIBILITY for what I had done.
> I can't speak for Dr Bob, but based on what I've seen in the past, my guess is that he looks at whether or not someone willfully flouts the rules, or refuses to accept responsibility for his or her actions.
> Again, I may be in the minority, but I don't see Dr Bob's responses to be all that arbitrary. Mostly, they make sense to me -- regardless whether I agree with them or not.
> I do feel rather attacked, by the way, as this is the second or third time you've implied that I was somehow singled out by Dr Bob for special treatment. While I suppose that it might be flattering to some for this sort of attention to be focussed my way, I don't find it flattering. I find it discomforting...I agree completely. I'm glad to hear someone else express that actually.
:-)And on that note... I must
GET BACK TO WORK!!!!!
(aaargh!)
Posted by rod on July 19, 2005, at 5:40:14
In reply to Robert Hsiung promotes suicide, posted by so on July 18, 2005, at 13:24:34
Sorry,
I dont read much at this section of the board. I might have missed it.
Who commited suicide ??
thanks
rod
Posted by partlycloudy on July 19, 2005, at 8:23:44
In reply to Re: Saving lives is my motive, posted by Racer on July 18, 2005, at 20:29:06
Posted by NikkiT2 on July 19, 2005, at 12:44:46
In reply to Re: Robert Hsiung promotes suicide, posted by rod on July 19, 2005, at 5:40:14
I'm wondering the same thing, and I *do* read this board a fair amount (though not everything, I'm not sure anyone other than Dr Bob has that kind of time, and he must have some kind of time travelling device *lol*)
We know, ofcourse of one suicide, but I am quite sure that wasn't connected to anything that happened on this board.
I'm actually very suprised by the track record here - though there may be others we never found out about..
Nikki xx
Posted by Racer on July 19, 2005, at 13:10:36
In reply to Re: Robert Hsiung promotes suicide » rod, posted by NikkiT2 on July 19, 2005, at 12:44:46
Yeah, I know of that one suicide, and there was that other death we learned of last year -- I'm not sure anyone really learned the cause?
Personally, I think the track record of only one suicide here is because we have the support of other members of this community when we're in that sort of despair. Nikki, I know you remember some of my history here, and I am sure you can imagine how much the support I got from Babblers helped me survive. What a priceless resource!
Oh, well, consider the source of the accusation, huh?
Posted by Jen Star on July 19, 2005, at 14:49:48
In reply to Re: Robert Hsiung promotes suicide, posted by Racer on July 19, 2005, at 13:10:36
Yes, consider the source! How are you doing, Racer? looks like someone is trying to upset you by pushing all kinds of buttons. Just wanted to see if you're doing OK. The slander will slide off like butter off a duck's back (to use a weird analogy!). You have lots of friends here who like you. :)
take care!
JenStar
Posted by Racer on July 19, 2005, at 15:07:00
In reply to Re: Robert Hsiung promotes suicide, posted by Jen Star on July 19, 2005, at 14:49:48
Thanks, Jen. I was going to respond about what you're referring to, but now that that post is gone, well, what's the point?
But thank you. I did have a negative reaction to what I read, and your words helped remind me of my own advice! *g* Good thing, too!
Posted by sleepygirl on July 19, 2005, at 21:12:28
In reply to Robert Hsiung promotes suicide, posted by so on July 18, 2005, at 13:24:34
oh come on!! that's.... how can I say this while being civil?, not based on objective facts
Posted by gardenergirl on July 19, 2005, at 22:27:48
In reply to Re: Robert Hsiung promotes suicide, posted by sleepygirl on July 19, 2005, at 21:12:28
Posted by Phillipa on July 19, 2005, at 22:38:38
In reply to Re: Robert Hsiung promotes suicide, posted by sleepygirl on July 19, 2005, at 21:12:28
So, I'll say it again we're a strong connected group of people, yes real people with names and faces. I have pictures of a lot of posters that we've exchanged. We care about each other and would do anything in our power to help someone stay safe. And I feel Dr. Bob helps to promote the same philosophy. Don't worry he'll be around. Sometimes he needs to see how far someone will go before he intercedes. You know a lot of people E-mail him and yes he or another deputy respond. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by gardenergirl on July 19, 2005, at 22:45:31
In reply to Re: Robert Hsiung promotes suicide » sleepygirl, posted by Phillipa on July 19, 2005, at 22:38:38
Posted by Racer on July 19, 2005, at 23:19:45
In reply to Let's ditch that subject line, shall we? (nm), posted by gardenergirl on July 19, 2005, at 22:27:48
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