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Posted by kid47 on March 6, 2007, at 17:34:01
that PBC's, blocks and such in and of themselves are basically uncivil. There is a bit of an eye for an eye nuance, rather than promoting accetance and understanding and a supportive environment for the recipents of these "reprimands" and/or punishments. I would stop short of calling it hipocritical, but that's just me. Just stating my reality here folks. Relax!!
Peace
kid
Posted by Iwillsurvive on March 6, 2007, at 23:27:35
In reply to Ironic isn't it, posted by kid47 on March 6, 2007, at 17:34:01
Posted by notfred on March 7, 2007, at 11:35:17
In reply to Ironic isn't it, posted by kid47 on March 6, 2007, at 17:34:01
" the recipents of these "reprimands" and/or punishments. I would stop short of calling it hipocritical, but that's just me."
It is made clear that blocks are not punishments,
they on conquences of not following the rules, even after a warning or warnings.
Posted by Toph on March 7, 2007, at 12:28:43
In reply to Re: Ironic isn't it, posted by notfred on March 7, 2007, at 11:35:17
> It is made clear that blocks are not punishments, they on consequences of not following the rules, even after a warning or warnings.
>Had my father called his punishment a consequence when I was growing up, I don't think it would have hurt any less, notfred.
Posted by kid47 on March 7, 2007, at 13:24:57
In reply to Re: Ironic isn't it, posted by notfred on March 7, 2007, at 11:35:17
> It is made clear that blocks are not punishments,
they on consequences of not following the rules, even after a warning or warnings.<Yeah, I used to use the same rhetoric when disciplining my kids. It went something like, "You are reaping the consequences of your actions. In our home as in society, if you don't follow the rules there will be consequences." I still think it felt like punishment to them. A necessary evil when raising kids. One difference was I had very clear cut rules. They were not vague or capricious. I enforced them consistently. Then too, I used to find it ironic when a parent would smack their kid as punishment for hitting or biting another child. I 'd like to think we are not, for the most part, children here at Babble. I understand the need for rules. It just feels to me that among other inconsistencies, things have gone a bit overboard in the breadth of interpretation of what constitutes an infraction. Over the last 5 or 6 years I have seen these civility policies drive away a lot of smart caring folks. I for one post a lot less than I used to,(not that I'm all that smart or caring for that matter) because the atmosphere feels very restrictive to me. I usually avoid these types of issues like the plague. I finally decided to clock in on this because I am impressed with what appears to me to be an exclusionary quality in the admittedly arbitrary enforcement of THE RULES. It could be interpreted that these rules are enforced more stringently with a certain type of poster or style of post. Ultimately this might feel like harassment to that certain type of poster and eventually drive them from our ranks. Is that the intention? I'm not being dramatic. I have seen this happen many times. I dont think this place would be nearly as interesting or supportive if we ended up with a gaggle of what I would call "Stepford Posters."
Unfortunately I feel the need to qualify this post with the usual disclaimers:
These are purely my opinions based on my perceptions. None of these statements are intended to pressure or put down anyone. If anything I have written here causes anyone to feel pressured, accused, put down, disliked, disenfranchised, disturbed, distilled, distracted, destroyed, disconnected, dis-inhibited, dissed on, discombobulated, dizzy, daffy, sleepy, grumpy, or other wise unhappy, I am truly sorry.
Posted by fayeroe on March 8, 2007, at 19:24:33
In reply to Punishment » notfred, posted by kid47 on March 7, 2007, at 13:24:57
thanks, kid, for bringing me up...."smart and caring".:-) after i got my last block 16 weeks, i left for a very long time and rarely post.
i agree with each and every word you said..but i've said it before and nothing happened...except i think it got worse here. what is that song that is about war? "something happening here"???......pat
Posted by kid47 on March 12, 2007, at 10:17:29
In reply to Re: Punishment » kid47, posted by fayeroe on March 8, 2007, at 19:24:33
> "something happening here"???<
"What it is ain't exactly clear!!!!!!"
Peace
kid
Posted by fayeroe on March 12, 2007, at 17:36:05
In reply to Re: Punishment » fayeroe, posted by kid47 on March 12, 2007, at 10:17:29
> > "something happening here"???<
>
> "What it is ain't exactly clear!!!!!!"
>
> Peace
> kid
>
>peace back to you......pat
Posted by AuntieMel on March 13, 2007, at 14:47:46
In reply to Re: Punishment » fayeroe, posted by kid47 on March 12, 2007, at 10:17:29
"There's a man with a gun over there"
Posted by kid47 on March 13, 2007, at 16:31:46
In reply to Re: Punishment » kid47, posted by AuntieMel on March 13, 2007, at 14:47:46
> "There's a man with a gun over there"<
"and he's not wearin underwear"
See. Isn't this fun!!
kid
Posted by AuntieMel on March 13, 2007, at 17:08:05
In reply to Re: Punishment » AuntieMel, posted by kid47 on March 13, 2007, at 16:31:46
"Telling you you've got to beware"
Yours was good, but the meter was off.
Posted by AuntieMel on March 13, 2007, at 17:10:56
In reply to Re: Punishment » AuntieMel, posted by kid47 on March 13, 2007, at 16:31:46
I thought all I was showing was my age...
"and he's not wearin underwear"
Posted by kid47 on March 13, 2007, at 20:29:48
In reply to Re: Gee Whiz, posted by AuntieMel on March 13, 2007, at 17:10:56
Let's keep it administrative here ;)
Posted by karen_kay on March 13, 2007, at 21:02:46
In reply to You better stop hey..... » AuntieMel, posted by kid47 on March 13, 2007, at 20:29:48
(clearing throat) are you speaking with another female on this board? (clearing throat again) i do believe auntie (hence female, i'd assume) and mel (again female). i understand, she's a deputy, but let's not have another 'spoc' mess on our hands here.
thank you for resolving this matter as soon as possible,
kkps. i may see a need for this thread to be moved to social. i have no idea how to do that. if you see fit, please do so. if you see fit to finally have that restraining order put out on me, go at it (there are ways around them, you know!).
thanks again for your promptness in this mater (ie. letting her down easy).
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 21, 2007, at 2:54:52
In reply to Ironic isn't it, posted by kid47 on March 6, 2007, at 17:34:01
> Ironic isn't it
> that PBC's, blocks and such in and of themselves are basically uncivil. There is a bit of an eye for an eye nuance, rather than promoting accetance and understanding and a supportive environmentOne way to look at it might be that incivility is limited to administrative uses?
Bob
Posted by fayeroe on March 21, 2007, at 7:51:40
In reply to Re: blocks and such, posted by Dr. Bob on March 21, 2007, at 2:54:52
> > Ironic isn't it
> > that PBC's, blocks and such in and of themselves are basically uncivil. There is a bit of an eye for an eye nuance, rather than promoting accetance and understanding and a supportive environment
>
> One way to look at it might be that incivility is limited to administrative uses?
>
> Bobanswering a question, with a question and answering that question with a question........
HUH?
Posted by verne on April 10, 2007, at 4:07:42
In reply to Re: blocks and such, posted by Dr. Bob on March 21, 2007, at 2:54:52
Blocks are uncivil, even cruel. Sometimes, over an omitted asterisk, people are shot dead for weeks. For repeated missteps while on probation, the punishment may be a year.
Is it me? Am I the only one who thinks that this is a cruel experiment about internet "civility" and punishment? This site seems to be about helping people yet the real focus is on "blocking" and "punishment". I'm posting now on "probation", knowing that my sentence will be tripled or more next time.
Something is terribly wrong with this site. Seems helpful at first blush. Look closer.
love always,
Verne
Posted by fayeroe on April 10, 2007, at 7:39:20
In reply to Re: blocks and such, posted by verne on April 10, 2007, at 4:07:42
> Blocks are uncivil, even cruel. Sometimes, over an omitted asterisk, people are shot dead for weeks. For repeated missteps while on probation, the punishment may be a year.
>
> Is it me? Am I the only one who thinks that this is a cruel experiment about internet "civility" and punishment? This site seems to be about helping people yet the real focus is on "blocking" and "punishment". I'm posting now on "probation", knowing that my sentence will be tripled or more next time.
>
> Something is terribly wrong with this site. Seems helpful at first blush. Look closer.
>
> love always,
>
> Verneno, verne, it isn't just you.......in only took me a short time to understand how devastating the blocks can be to some. it'a a control issue.
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