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Posted by Kath on March 11, 2008, at 16:19:47
I find cruelty so sad.
In the current case on another board, I DO wish the offending posts would be removed.
I do NOT see anything to be gained by leaving them there.
At LEAST xxxxxx out the name. That was done on a post around Valentine's Day on, I think it was the relationships board.
I'll send that comment through the notify admin. - maybe that's the proper way to do it. If I'm in error in writing this here, I'm sorry.
Kath
Posted by Kath on March 11, 2008, at 20:56:52
In reply to :-(, posted by Kath on March 11, 2008, at 16:19:47
If using the word 'cruel' was uncivil.
I just realized it probably WAS.
Kath
Posted by rskontos on March 15, 2008, at 14:55:31
In reply to Sorry, posted by Kath on March 11, 2008, at 20:56:52
Hey Kath, it is interesting that Dr. bob has left this thread that has very colorful language on the board. Still sits there, yet I have seen other posts vanish in a heartbeat. Interesting huh. Maybe he is too busy?
rsk
Posted by 10derHeart on March 15, 2008, at 21:31:19
In reply to Re: Sorry..busy..but.... » Kath, posted by rskontos on March 15, 2008, at 14:55:31
I'm not entirely sure exactly what 'colorful language' thread you mean (there are a few these days) but - since March 3rd anyway - it has not been Dr. Bob leaving things on the boards, deleting posts, or doing anything else on the boards that I am aware of, other than this one post :
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20080204/msgs/816450.html
As best I can tell, Dr. Bob has not read this, or any other board yet, or if he's begun, he hasn't finished. I can't know that 100% for sure or swear to it in a court of law. But I can rely on his past habits, and the knowledge of the other deputies who have worked with him longer. When he returns from an absence, he may have several areas relating to Babble to go over. He may have emails from posters and deputies. He may have Notifications - both acted on and not - to go over. And then he has the boards to go over - particularly Admin, and clearly far more threads/posts when something has *happened,* like this time. There may be even more Babble-related tasks I wouldn't know anything about he has to attend to - I'm not sure. I can only speak of what I know. What I have seen, is that once he's done going over the board, he will post/respond to posts. I suppose he could change that habit, but I don't have any reason to think so.
I think, honestly, we've all been caught up in a coincidence of awful timing where Dr. Bob's personal....professional...other....all of the above ? (and I *don't* have a clue) obligations that take him completely away from Babble, exactly coincided this time with the day Dinah happened to post what she posted. It's been 12 days now, and that *is* a long time. But the last time, if my memory serves, was 17 days, give or take. And that's only since I've been a deputy (about 15 months), and only what I recall. I'm not saying that to imply that's good, bad or anything in between, only to remind (probably myself as much as anyone) that this has happened before and, based on that fact, will happen again.
In his absence, the deputies are administering the site, without any current input from Dr. Bob, as we do any time he is away. In fact, to be even more specific, I have been the person taking or not taking action on the threads/posts you are likely speaking about. No, I haven't taken over PB by force - lol - it's just that Dinah wasn't a deputy for about a week, and more recently, both Racer and Dinah needed to stay mostly focused on IRL things with limited time for Babble. And just so happens (and I feel thankful for it) I *have* had the more time to be here. That isn't unusual, has happened before, and will happen again. We try to pick up the slack for one another and it seems to work fairly well. Picking it up for Dr. Bob is far harder, as you all well know :-( I guess we do what we can to control what's within our control.
If any threads contain language that I see as uncivil *only* toward Dr. Bob, I have left them for him to deal with. He applies a different, normally more relaxed standard, to potentially uncivil posts directed at him, because - from what I remember him saying - he wants posters to have the opportunity to vent about his administration of Babble. (Guess he has his wish now, for sure) But sometimes, I suppose a post crosses a line for him, and he will PBC/block posters for uncivil posts to him. The deputies rarely get involved with these sorts of posts as we can't determine which ones cross his personal boundaries of incivility, and which don't.
But, if you are seeing posts you feel are uncivil toward *other posters* (not Dr. Bob) please report them using the Notification button. Remember, though, posts are *not* removed from the boards due to "colorful" language. Dr. Bob rarely - if ever - removes *any* posts from the board, as many of you know who strongly disagree with this policy. Last thing - any posts you've seen disappear are only from blocked posters that a deputy *knows* are blocked posters.
I haven't written this to defend Dr. Bob and certainly not to criticize posters for their feelings or opinions on his absence and what it means. No way do I wish to do either of those things. Dr. Bob can return and explain, respond and defend himself as he wishes. I just prefer to take the "blame" if you like, for administrative decisions *I* have been making as a deputy while Dr. Bob has been gone.
It's just my hope that stating what facts I know I know, or can reasonably figure out are correct, might help. Or maybe not. Maybe I just like to bloviate and be annoying. If so, I'll bet I've achieved that goal.
-- 10der
Posted by Racer on March 15, 2008, at 21:59:30
In reply to Re: Sorry..busy..but.... » rskontos, posted by 10derHeart on March 15, 2008, at 21:31:19
> Maybe I just like to bloviate and be annoying. If so, I'll bet I've achieved that goal.
>Never, SugarBuns, never -- you're so nice to post this, to let people know what's going on, and that's exactly the sort of thing you always seem to come up with. It is only my personal opinion, of course, but I do believe that we are fortunate to have you -- fortunate to have you as a deputy, fortunate to have you as a poster, and fortunate to have you as a fellow member of our species.
And I admire your vocabulary.
And on a very serious note, thank you very much for taking so much on right now -- I'm having a very bad time of it right now, and am overwhelmed to a very extreme degree. I just need a little more time right now, to try to dig myself out of a hole I got myself into -- and I'm trying to do it without nearly enough support or help, which is making it all that much harder to address. I am very grateful that I have been able to back away from Babble for a little while, knowing it's in such capable hands.
Blessings upon you, and thank you.
Posted by Dinah on March 15, 2008, at 22:06:38
In reply to Thank you for posting that » 10derHeart, posted by Racer on March 15, 2008, at 21:59:30
Absolutely. I totally second that.
I'm sorry to be so backed up right now IRL.
You're doing great. :)
Posted by rskontos on March 16, 2008, at 0:30:36
In reply to 10der, What Racer said, posted by Dinah on March 15, 2008, at 22:06:38
three involved in this.....so I will be silent and
go back to lurking someplace else.rsk
Posted by 10derHeart on March 16, 2008, at 1:02:10
In reply to Re: OK I give up I guess I am wrong to get all, posted by rskontos on March 16, 2008, at 0:30:36
oops, did I mess up? I just thought from what you and others posted that some think Dr. Bob is personally around deleting posts and so forth, and I just wanted to say *I* (and other deputies) are responsible for doing that. Not with his guidance, or at his direction or anything like that. Maybe I misunderstood your post to Kath.
That was all. I don't think you are "wrong" or that you should leave, or that your feelings aren't valid, or anything like that. Racer and Dinah, IMO, posted here because they care about me and know I am often still lacking confidence about all sorts of posts, whether I've come across wrong, been accidentally uncivil, sounded stupid, or screwed up some other way, etc., and so they were moved to support me. Do you know that's why I hardly ever post on Psych any more even though I am leaving my T. in 7 weeks, my heart is breaking, and I am desparate to post? Too scared, too self-critical....blah, blah. But anyway......
I'm confused about why their posts, which were aimed at me, would convey a message to you that you are 'wrong?'
>.....so I will be silent
:-( I don't want anyone to feel silenced.
> go back to lurking someplace else
:-( I hope you change your mind and stay. I know the psych board posters will miss you.
I am sorry if I worsened anything. I was trying to fill in some blanks and have openness, with what little I do know, thinking it would ease some speculation or misunderstanding of who is doing what.
I'm tempted to say something that sounds like 'I give up' - but you know, I won't, I'm not and I don't. I don't do hopelessness. Communication is difficult in this medium, but this place is fundamentally good, and so I refuse to stop trying here, or in other parts of my life.
I just refuse.
Please take care, rsk, your posts lately sound so sad and resigned, I feel like crying for you when I read them. Not sure if you'll believe me, but it's true. If I could fix it all, I would.
Posted by rskontos on March 16, 2008, at 11:32:17
In reply to Re: OK I give up I guess I am wrong to get all » rskontos, posted by 10derHeart on March 16, 2008, at 1:02:10
Well, this particular post I think Kath is speaking about actually has bad language in it and I think that is what she meant. So all I was trying to tell her is maybe he is not coming here to see it. The post is on the meds board, and probably should be deleted. It is offensive. That is all I meant to her. Then when I got all three to respond to my post I thought I was ganged up on. I am very sensitive these days. I want to post about it, start a thread but I just cant. I have no where to go these days. I feel like on admin. it is going no where. So many have jumped in and not read the whole board to know what is really going on and just seem to feed the flame in an uncaring manner. It just makes me sad and other parts MAD. I am jumpy, sad, and becoming flat again. The only reason I don't go off on a tangent is my xanax.
No you did not do anything. It is all me.
sorry, don't cry for me I will survive I always do. and thanks for caringrsk
Posted by Kath on March 16, 2008, at 19:54:25
In reply to Re: OK I give up I guess I am wrong to get all » 10derHeart, posted by rskontos on March 16, 2008, at 11:32:17
Yes, - regarding language - I guess not all nasty words are on the * * * list yet!!! sigh.
Anyway, I DO wish you would come to the Social board. I find it very accepting, supportive & caring. I have been away from it for a couple of days, but will go back. I really really hope to see ya there.
hugs, Kath
Posted by Kath on March 16, 2008, at 19:57:27
In reply to Re: OK I give up I guess I am wrong to get all » rskontos, posted by 10derHeart on March 16, 2008, at 1:02:10
Thank you 10derHeart first of all, just merely for being you!
But also for that post. I found it calming & it helped me maybe get a bit more perspective.
I especially appreciate it as it sounds as though you could use some good support yourself.
Feel like dropping in at Social? I hope so.
I send you appreciative & affectionate & caring hugs.
luv, Kath
Posted by 10derHeart on March 16, 2008, at 20:14:24
In reply to Thx for clarification » 10derHeart, posted by Kath on March 16, 2008, at 19:57:27
Posted by Kath on March 16, 2008, at 20:17:07
In reply to thx, very kind of you......I'll try to post later (nm) » Kath, posted by 10derHeart on March 16, 2008, at 20:14:24
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 26, 2008, at 18:48:25
In reply to Re: Sorry..busy..but.... » rskontos, posted by 10derHeart on March 15, 2008, at 21:31:19
> In his absence, the deputies are administering the site, without any current input from Dr. Bob, as we do any time he is away. ... We try to pick up the slack for one another and it seems to work fairly well.
Thanks for being the one this time to pick up the slack. I do think you all work together really well, and feel lucky to have you on the team.
Bob
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