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Posted by johnj on July 5, 2008, at 12:30:43
Dr. Bob:
I am not sure where to begin as I am so frustrated. The board used to be a great resource and support. Now I find that it has been allowed to be taken over by a certain poster(s). I am not sure if it is mean spirited and if certain perverse pleasure is being taken by alienating good people and then crying for help. I know most here, including myself, have issues otherwise we wouldn't be here but enough is enough.
I would like you to please think about finding a way to limit board monopoly or excessive posting. I believe you know the problem and I ask you as a pdoc to understand the detriment this has to the board. Bring back the quality please!
Or please create a way that a person can turn off a poster from view. I am tired to skipping over posts as I would rather just not have to see them.
All who are with me please respond and join me in taking back the board and improve the quality. Thank you
johnj
Posted by gardenergirl on July 5, 2008, at 12:41:06
In reply to Dr. Bob and board monopoly, posted by johnj on July 5, 2008, at 12:30:43
Can we make that invisible at will, too? It's too hard to look away. Makes my neck and other parts hurt.
Posted by johnj on July 5, 2008, at 12:50:41
In reply to I'd rather not see poverty, posted by gardenergirl on July 5, 2008, at 12:41:06
Some things we CANNOT control and some we can smart *ss.
Posted by gardenergirl on July 5, 2008, at 13:19:09
In reply to Re: I'd rather not see poverty » gardenergirl, posted by johnj on July 5, 2008, at 12:50:41
How else could we evaluate our two requests for, oh I don't know, priority or some kind of "worthiness"? What other criteria could we use, hmmm? And how can "we" "control" another person's behavior? I'd like to patent whatever you have that does that. I'd bet it would make a fortune.
And please don't call me names.
Posted by Lou PIlder on July 5, 2008, at 13:28:29
In reply to Dr. Bob and board monopoly, posted by johnj on July 5, 2008, at 12:30:43
> Dr. Bob:
>
> I am not sure where to begin as I am so frustrated. The board used to be a great resource and support. Now I find that it has been allowed to be taken over by a certain poster(s). I am not sure if it is mean spirited and if certain perverse pleasure is being taken by alienating good people and then crying for help. I know most here, including myself, have issues otherwise we wouldn't be here but enough is enough.
>
> I would like you to please think about finding a way to limit board monopoly or excessive posting. I believe you know the problem and I ask you as a pdoc to understand the detriment this has to the board. Bring back the quality please!
>
> Or please create a way that a person can turn off a poster from view. I am tired to skipping over posts as I would rather just not have to see them.
>
> All who are with me please respond and join me in taking back the board and improve the quality. Thank you
>
> johnjjohnj,
You wrote[...I am not sure...I am ..frustrated...the board used to be...allowed to be taken over...mean spirited..perverse pleasure...aleinating good people...crying for help...most..have issues...enough is enough...board monopoly...you know...the detriment...bring back....I am tired....All who are with me...in taking back...improve the quality...].
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean by the following. If you could clarify the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A.If the board {used to be}, what has happened to make the board not what it used to be?
B. In that you write that a certian poster has {taken over}, could you post here what you are wanting to mean by {taken over}? if you could list the criteria that you use to make that determination, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
C.In that you write that the board {used to be} a great resource and support, could you list what in your thinking could there be seen that delegates the board now, in your thinking, to the status of less of a resource for support? If you could list those, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
D. In,{...taken over by a certain poster...}, could you list what in your thinking are the criteria that you used to make that determination as in your thinking? If so, then I could have the opportunity to know what constitutes in your thinking what could be determined as {taking over} and respond accordingly.
E.In {aleinating good people...], could you list the criteria that you use to determine as to if a person is a good person or not? If you could, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
F. In[...perverse pleasure...] could you post here what your understanding is as to how that phrase connects with the subject here, if that is what you are wanting to mean? If you could, then I could have a better undertsanding of your entire post and respond accordingly.
G. In {enough is enough}, how much is enough and could you post an example of a statement that is in the class of statements that could be in what you are wanting to mean in your thinking by {enough is enough}? If you could, then I could respond accordingly.
Lou
Posted by fayeroe on July 5, 2008, at 14:27:12
In reply to What other criteria could we use?, posted by gardenergirl on July 5, 2008, at 13:19:09
I wonder if anyone is having a bad day? For me this is definitely a time that I feel that it would be a good idea to have some posts invisible........
Posted by Deputy Dinah on July 5, 2008, at 14:48:13
In reply to Dr. Bob and board monopoly, posted by johnj on July 5, 2008, at 12:30:43
Administrative action has been taken on a related thread.
I ask that everyone keep the board guidelines in mind, and not post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down. It is admirable to support one another on this board, but please do so in a way consistent with the civility guidelines.
If you wish to review these guidelines, they can be found at:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
Dinah, acting as deputy to Dr. Bob
Posted by Mc Comfortable on July 5, 2008, at 15:31:39
In reply to Dr. Bob and board monopoly, posted by johnj on July 5, 2008, at 12:30:43
My feelings have been made clear in past posts and the a current situation. I have advocated for posting limits but truthfully, I would like to see individual situations addressed on a one to one basis by Dr. Bob. I understand while wanting that to happen, the rules must apply to all even if there is/are only one or a few who, uh, "need" the guideline. Therein lies the rub.
I think there is certainly an issue of binge/excess posting that needs addressing - for the board's sake and for the sake of some poster(s). Being realistic, I do not believe anything will happen from an adm. standpoint. However, I do wish it would be explored as meeting the needs of the one(s) appears to be trumping the needs of others.
Posted by Lou PIlder on July 5, 2008, at 16:04:51
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob and board monopoly, posted by Mc Comfortable on July 5, 2008, at 15:31:39
> My feelings have been made clear in past posts and the a current situation. I have advocated for posting limits but truthfully, I would like to see individual situations addressed on a one to one basis by Dr. Bob. I understand while wanting that to happen, the rules must apply to all even if there is/are only one or a few who, uh, "need" the guideline. Therein lies the rub.
>
> I think there is certainly an issue of binge/excess posting that needs addressing - for the board's sake and for the sake of some poster(s). Being realistic, I do not believe anything will happen from an adm. standpoint. However, I do wish it would be explored as meeting the needs of the one(s) appears to be trumping the needs of others.Mc Comfortable,
You wrote,[...I understand while wanting that to happen,(posting limits) the rules must apply to all even if there is/are only one or a few who, uh,"need" the guidline. Thearin lies the rub...]and,[...meeting the needs of the one(s)appears to be trumping the needs of others...].
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean and if you could clarify the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A. In,[...a few who, uh, "need" the guidline...] I am unsure as to if your use of quotes there is as what is known as{scare quotes} or not. If you could clarify that for me, then I could respond accordingly. for those that would like to know what scare quotes are, the merriam-webster defines scare quotes and I invite you to put {scare quotes} in their search box.
B. In,[...meeting the needs of one...to be trumping the needs of others...]
I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean by what the {needs} are of the person(s) in question verses what you are wanting to mean by [...the needs of others...] and along with that as to how the one's need could cause the other's need to be trumped. If you could clarify by identifying what the {needs} are in your thinking, and then how the one could cause the other to be trumped in your thinking, then I could respond accordingly.
Lou
Posted by Mc Comfortable on July 5, 2008, at 19:04:02
In reply to Lou's request for clarification-dherizon? » Mc Comfortable, posted by Lou PIlder on July 5, 2008, at 16:04:51
I try to be as clear as possible when posting to convey my ideas.
I can give no additional clarifications so I must deny your request.
Posted by Justherself54 on July 6, 2008, at 8:52:42
In reply to Dr. Bob and board monopoly, posted by johnj on July 5, 2008, at 12:30:43
"Or please create a way that a person can turn off a poster from view. I am tired to skipping over posts as I would rather just not have to see them."
I find this interesting as to my knowledge you posted on a thread started by Phillipa.
I hope we can all remember why we are here, to share our experiences and knowledge and to support each other. Perhaps compassion and empathy for all posters should be what we strive for, as lets face it...we have a tough enough road to travel.
Posted by Happyflower on July 7, 2008, at 0:06:44
In reply to Dr. Bob and board monopoly, posted by johnj on July 5, 2008, at 12:30:43
I believe it has to do with less people in general that are even coming to the boards. I don't believe I post anymore than I did 3 years ago, there are just less people.
I am sorry my posts are bothering you, I don't even know who you are, never seen your name before. If someone wants to post, they are free to do it. Nobody is stopping anyone from posting.
Posted by karen_kay on July 7, 2008, at 11:35:11
In reply to What other criteria could we use?, posted by gardenergirl on July 5, 2008, at 13:19:09
glad to read your post, smartass. (i've always thought i'd rather be a smartass than a dumbass any day!)
thanks for making me smile!
fondly,
kk
Posted by Lou PIlder on July 7, 2008, at 15:53:04
In reply to Dr. Bob and board monopoly, posted by johnj on July 5, 2008, at 12:30:43
> Dr. Bob:
>
> I am not sure where to begin as I am so frustrated. The board used to be a great resource and support. Now I find that it has been allowed to be taken over by a certain poster(s). I am not sure if it is mean spirited and if certain perverse pleasure is being taken by alienating good people and then crying for help. I know most here, including myself, have issues otherwise we wouldn't be here but enough is enough.
>
> I would like you to please think about finding a way to limit board monopoly or excessive posting. I believe you know the problem and I ask you as a pdoc to understand the detriment this has to the board. Bring back the quality please!
>
> Or please create a way that a person can turn off a poster from view. I am tired to skipping over posts as I would rather just not have to see them.
>
> All who are with me please respond and join me in taking back the board and improve the quality. Thank you
>
> johnjFriends,
It is written here,[...please create a way that a person can turn off a poster from view...improve the quality...].
There is on other forums a feature to have another member ignored by the one requesting such.
I think that that could be OK as long as the member requesting to have another member ignored by them to not reveal that to the other members on the board.
Let us look at the psychological/emotional potential to the one having their name posted as being ignored by the other member.
I ask for dialog purposes:
A. Could the member that has their name posted as being ignored by another member suffer unjust stigmatization and as a result feel accused or put down by innuendo?
B. Could the member having their name posted as being ignored suffer the unjust specter of being a scapegoat?
C. Could the poster that has their name named as being ignored by the other member suffer unjust psychological/emotional feelings of , let's say, guilt or shame?
D. How, in your opinions, if they could, could an owner/operator of a mental-health on-line community, justfy having such a feature if the member is allowed to post that tey are putting snother member on the ignore feature?
E. Are there historical paralles that you may know of? If so could you post such here?
F. Would such a rule here be good for the community as a whole? If so, could you post why?
G. Could a member designated, let's say, as a depressed member, be a person that others could be allowed to post that they are putting thst person on the ignore feature?
H. Could, in your opinions, the act of a member posting that they are putting another member on the ignore feature constitute defamtion toward the one posted as being put on the other member's ignore feature?
K .Other good and just issues arrising out of this discussion
Lou
Posted by fayeroe on July 7, 2008, at 16:03:37
In reply to Lou's request for dialog-bdgvshm?, posted by Lou PIlder on July 7, 2008, at 15:53:04
D. How, in your opinions, if they could, could an owner/operator of a mental-health on-line community, justfy having such a feature if the member is allowed to post that tey are putting snother member on the ignore feature?
Psych Central has that feature and you do not post in public that you are putting anyone on ignore. You simply use the "ignore" button that is supplied for you by the program.
E. Are there historical paralles that you may know of? If so could you post such here?Psych Central
F. Would such a rule here be good for the community as a whole? If so, could you post why?Lou, you have been a member of Psych Central. I am surprised that you do not remember the rule.
Of course, it is good for the community because it is healthy for the individual who is bothered by things that another poster writes. I answered both questions in this one post.depressed member, be a person that others could be allowed to post that they are putting thst person on the ignore feature?
See my first answer, Lou. Some people who are on mental health forums have a DX and frequently, in my opinion, it is depression. You do NOT post publicly about ignoring someone.
H. Could, in your opinions, the act of a member posting that they are putting another member on the ignore feature constitute defamtion toward the one posted as being put on the other member's ignore feature?Lou, I believe that you are asking the same question over and over.
Lou, would you ask a question once, so that I can better understand you?
I won't answer questions about my answers to you. I feel that the answers are clear and succinct.
Fayeroe
Posted by fayeroe on July 7, 2008, at 16:05:18
In reply to Re: Lou's request for dialog-bdgvshm? » Lou PIlder, posted by fayeroe on July 7, 2008, at 16:03:37
Posted by TexasChic on July 8, 2008, at 19:11:21
In reply to Re: Dr. Bob and board monopoly » johnj, posted by Justherself54 on July 6, 2008, at 8:52:42
> I hope we can all remember why we are here, to share our experiences and knowledge and to support each other. Perhaps compassion and empathy for all posters should be what we strive for, as lets face it...we have a tough enough road to travel.
Well said.
-T
Posted by gardenergirl on July 18, 2008, at 9:44:43
In reply to hey gg! » gardenergirl, posted by karen_kay on July 7, 2008, at 11:35:11
This is the end of the thread.
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