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Posted by rskontos on November 2, 2009, at 16:54:16
now that I have posted things here in the beginning that i did not tell him until lately. I told him about the suicide post being twitted and he was actually very upset. I point blank asked him as a psychiatrist was that a good thing to do, he said he would never have done that regardless of consent forms etc. He also did not think the University of Chicago would approve due to their own image etc. He knows many of the doctors there. He used to go to APA meeting alot but not so much now. I told him all that I had said about it, all that Dr Bob said to me and now he is coming here himself to see what is going on. He said he wouldn't if it would upset me, I said no maybe i need a fresh set here and he is coming to check it out with a set of objective eyes. So he is checking out the site. I told him how many T's had told their Babblers to stay away, I said I wasn't sure if I would leave just cause he told me too, he laughed and said I am sure you are capable of deciding what to do.
I am glad he is coming here to help me make sense of what is what and what isn't proper. I told him how appalled I was about imperance's(misspelled but too upset to figure out right way) post being twitted. And the likelihood of him/her reposting about what they do, suicidal or not, was probably slim now because they might feel betrayed. I know I would.
I'll let you know what he says next week. I am so upset and this is only adding to it.
rsk
Posted by Phillipa on November 3, 2009, at 0:10:14
In reply to Well I went and told my pdoc all this going on, posted by rskontos on November 2, 2009, at 16:54:16
rsk that's great your doc is coming here and please do update. Love Ya Phillipa
Posted by rskontos on November 3, 2009, at 9:04:03
In reply to Re: Well I went and told my pdoc all this going on » rskontos, posted by Phillipa on November 3, 2009, at 0:10:14
I will. I felt vindicated because my p-doc is just as well educated as Dr Bob and when he understood how I felt , how all of us felt, I knew it wasn't just us. He has known I come here for a while but wouldn't ever visit without my permission. He respects me and care about how I take things, unlike the feelings I get here. Not from anyone else, I told him I know that Dr Bob isn't offering psche services and while maybe none of this is an ethical thing or a legal thing it is an HUMANE thing. And he said he agreed. Finally. And he was distrubed when I said I felt like Dr Bob implied that we were all upset because we had mental issues. That bothered him and the twitted posts of impermance's bothered him. He takes suicidal talks serious. I told him how one babbler, I did not name him/her, said they often think about it but thinking and doing are two different things. He said absolutely. But he does take how a suicide needs to be addressed carefully. I felt like how it ultimately was handled not the contacting of the police or anything that was necessary but twittering it is absolutely crossing the line. That is my opinion which at least my p-doc agreed.
But after he comes here I will let you know what he says.
rsk
Posted by Maxime on November 3, 2009, at 10:56:59
In reply to Re: Well I went and told my pdoc all this going on » Phillipa, posted by rskontos on November 3, 2009, at 9:04:03
And the fact that we are treated like children by being banned. That one really gets me.
Posted by Phillipa on November 3, 2009, at 18:38:33
In reply to Re: Well I went and told my pdoc all this going on, posted by Maxime on November 3, 2009, at 10:56:59
Yup. Phillipa
Posted by rskontos on November 3, 2009, at 20:57:41
In reply to Re: Well I went and told my pdoc all this going on, posted by Maxime on November 3, 2009, at 10:56:59
Yes it is very frustrating. Or we are told our concerns are because we are too anxious, I feel like I am a looney case, that is what I felt like I was called without it being actually said.
rsk
Posted by Dinah on November 4, 2009, at 7:38:39
In reply to Re: Well I went and told my pdoc all this going on » Maxime, posted by rskontos on November 3, 2009, at 20:57:41
FWIW, I don't think Dr. Bob meant it that way.
People are clearly anxious about those links, and Dr. Bob had his own explanation for the anxiety. I think that might have prevented him from understanding what we really found upsetting about the links. But I don't think he meant to imply that we were any loonier than the average person. Nothing he said to us wouldn't apply to most people.
Posted by rskontos on November 4, 2009, at 11:22:21
In reply to Re: Well I went and told my pdoc all this going on » rskontos, posted by Dinah on November 4, 2009, at 7:38:39
feel touchy I guess. All the anxiety over the buttons, etc, and now feeling like i have no where to turn, just makes me feel loonier so I guess I am touchy.
But as you said so well, it does seem like Dr Bob's thought processes just don't seem to connect with us over these types of issues and it will probably happen again.
As i go over the various boards, I sigh because I feel bad that Babble's traffic is so off from when I first came. And babble then was a life-saver and how now I feel i can confide my thoughts in my head now because it is as safe too. I don't know. I feel lost and yet I can't go through it here anymore.
Thanks though for answering so I don't feel invisible.
rsk
Posted by Dinah on November 4, 2009, at 11:27:00
In reply to Re: sigh, i guess you're right, I just » Dinah, posted by rskontos on November 4, 2009, at 11:22:21
I really am confused myself.
I mean, Dr. Bob did agree to a compromise. With a few tweaks, it might well address most of my concerns.
But it's hard just to say, ok now everything is fine, because I don't have a sense that he understands and will commit not to do something like this again. In fact, how can he commit not to do it if he doesn't understand what's wrong?
Still, I feel a bit churlish not to be feeling more willing to forgive and forget and move on. It goes against my grain not to give someone another chance, with the understanding that if they hurt me again in the future, shame on them.
Posted by rskontos on November 4, 2009, at 13:46:27
In reply to Re: sigh, i guess you're right, I just » rskontos, posted by Dinah on November 4, 2009, at 11:27:00
Yeah Dinah, you're right. The thing is, if this hadn't just followed on the heels of two other major points of discord, then yes I would find it easier to believe things were OK. But as it stands for me, I feel that this incident is just one of many in a long line of miscommunication. But the thing is this, in any other situation of miscommunication both parties have around equal footing as to correcting the situation or at least helping it move to better footing, but here I feel like we have had our knees cut off so many times to speak of, we are now left with stubs at the hips. Babblers I feel haven't much in the way of leverage when we feel misunderstood or threatened (in terms of privacy etc) except to leave and that is a double edged sword. We came here because we need the support here and to leave it hurts too.
I just don't know or get it anymore. But then I am having an especially rough day.
(Please don't twitter or facebook this)
rsk
Posted by Dinah on November 5, 2009, at 9:25:27
In reply to Re: sigh, i guess you're right, I just » Dinah, posted by rskontos on November 4, 2009, at 13:46:27
Yes, you're entirely correct I think.
We are entirely powerless except to leave. It's a horrible choice to have to make, and I really try not to do it unless the situation is one that is tied up to my sense of values, and unless I see no other possible alternative. But what a choice to have to make. Those of us who have been here a long time wouldn't have been here a long time unless we cared.
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