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Posted by okydoky on December 11, 2009, at 17:36:45
Apparently when I started posting here I was not very Internet savvy, not that i am now an posted under my real name. After doing a search I see that even after changing my user name I used my name to sign off interchangeably with the user name. I kind of remember posting my email address also although I did not do a search for that.
So what of all those posts now?
I guess I just have to pay for being uninformed!
oh so "vulnerable"
oky
Posted by Dinah on December 11, 2009, at 19:55:41
In reply to Posting under my real name, posted by okydoky on December 11, 2009, at 17:36:45
If you find that you've put your private information in a post, contact Dr. Bob and he can xxx out that information. It's probably easiest to reach him by email, or by using the "report this post" function on the post you're trying to edit.
Dinah
Posted by zenhussy on December 11, 2009, at 21:25:57
In reply to Re: Posting under my real name » okydoky, posted by Dinah on December 11, 2009, at 19:55:41
that might "erase" it from the PB server but the Internet has sites like the wayback machine and the like and they have snapshots of sites from years ago.......where Dr. Bob doesn't have ANY ability to get them to remove personal information from their archives.
once "it" is up on the web "it" is impossible to remove from the web...there will be a trace somewhere due to this site's google indexing.
Posted by Phillipa on December 12, 2009, at 13:27:21
In reply to Posting under my real name, posted by okydoky on December 11, 2009, at 17:36:45
Oky I saw your real name on your Facebook Account? Phillipa
Posted by okydoky on December 13, 2009, at 3:56:28
In reply to Re: Posting under my real name » okydoky, posted by Phillipa on December 12, 2009, at 13:27:21
How did you get to my facebook account? I am not mad. Did you already knew my real name or was it because it was linked to babble? Was it because I used the same mail account? There is nothing on Facebook to hide for me but what an invasion of privacy and abuse of trust. I guess if I want to try and ask people about meds on this site I will change my mail address. Well let me not pretend to be blindsided or surprised.
Well now that I have been involved I am starting to understand more and more how I cannot just ignore the as****** (not you) here and try to use the site for my own needs.
People have been talking about "Bob" in a negative way for a long time. I really believed that this site was developed for research, which could be very informative and helpful to the population it was serving. Two birds with one stone. Maybe it did start that way maybe not. I see nothing intentionally altruistic at this point.
People who stroke their egos by abusing, manipulating, using, getting over on... vulnerable populations I akin to kicking a dog because one can and feeling all powerful by doing it especially when the dog "trusts" and "depends" on you and keeps coming back for more.One would have to conclude that those people have serious issues!!!
Like public intoxication one is perfectly acceptable in this society while the other is not. Okay I am exaggerating.
It is all so very very sad. So much mistreatment of people with mental health problems. I guess I have seen more than I want to remember. I have seen suicide attempts as a direct result of "administrators" taking punitive measures, all to stroke their own egos. These are things not easily forgotten. I have spent a lot of time and effort doing advocacy work after seeing and experiencing these types of things, and gotten to know a lot of other people trying almost desperately to advocate for others more vulnerable than themselves. There will always be people in society seeking out positions of authority (power) they need to feel better than and in control of others. Kicking a dog just does not do it for them. (I am not advocating kicking dogs. I would kill anyone who kicked my dogs!!) There will always be people like this in society. It has been that way all throughout history.
I went in "FAQ" and said I did not want to be on twitter or Facebeek. The only reason I was even on Facebook was because my Yoga teacher asked her students to be for her to contact us that way. I have used it a few times with my relatives this year but I really do not know much about it or how to make use of it.I know nothing at all about Twitter.
Just Let me know how you saw my name on Facbeek. I think I am beginning to understand what a big deal this is. Why would anyone administrating to this site do something like this? It is so obviously in their own interest. Forget about trust.
Manipulatin calculating....not really about helping anyone but "himself". Yea I read "Bob's)very manipulative reasoning, stroking the questioner before even his feable attempt at "answering". It is not the first time I have seen someone makng decitions seem democratic by manipulating those around "him" or making things appear not as they are but as someone whould wnat them to be. Seeming so does not make it so. The veil is thin but maybe it always was, I just never took the time or interest to know.
I've been having a difficult time physically and been in and out of the hospital lately so please forgive my ranting once again. I hope you don't feel like I abused you. It is the last thing I would want to do or even appear to do. You seem like a nice person. I have not always agreed with you in the past but that does not make either of us "better" or a more valuable person. You are a person of great value. I see how you try and do your part helping others all the time.
Take care of yourself and thanks so very much for telling me of this Facebook thing. You are the second person to warn me of things on this site.
i
Posted by Dinah on December 13, 2009, at 9:57:40
In reply to Re: Posting under my real name, posted by okydoky on December 13, 2009, at 3:56:28
I think it's clear that I'm as unhappy about recent changes as anyone.
But to be fair to Dr. Bob, I think the problem lies in the fact that he truly doesn't understand that posters see things like "tweet me" icons differently than he does. Or even if he understands that they do, he just doesn't see things the same way, and while he may see that we are upset, he doesn't understand the visceral reaction we have.
Posted by okydoky on December 13, 2009, at 13:46:59
In reply to Re: Posting under my real name » okydoky, posted by Dinah on December 13, 2009, at 9:57:40
I don't think it is for "us" to understand "his" position things. As THE professional trained psychiatrist, he proclaims to be and as the administrator of a site it is my opinion that it is upon him to "understand" us.
Obviously since it is "his" site, he has ownership of it and can do as he pleases.
I guess I would liken it to any other service provided to any particular part of the public.
In this case the "owner", at least as far as I know does not receive financial compensation. He gets his compensation by use of the site in his research and/or whatever else he may choose for compensation to his liking and/or need. (Of course all legal, moral? I would not know) Okay I am being seriously cinical one of my many fault.
From my reading of admin on an off over several years it appears as if "Dr Bob", not unlike any other provider of services, weighs out any benefit against the harm or disadvantage for his objectives he chooses for the site.
I don't think any of us will ever know what all "Bob" sees as benefits to "his" site but I think a lot of us often loose sight that this is a service with a service provider. I know it is not so simple. There are not several other services for us to choose if we do not agree with the way this one is being run.
That is one of the reasons I think it would be great if the population that makes use of this type of service could get together and be our own provider. Not an easy or quick task. There would be financial considerations as well as technical ones and of course what we are always debating, the basic structure. I think if it was done well it could be much more democratic, be run with integrity and obviously the argument that the "provider" truly does not understand those he is providing for should be mute!
I honestly think this could be done. I have seen it done and been one of the providers in the real world. Helped build the basic structure and constantly work towards the ideal of it being democratic. Democracy is MESSY, but it can be done. In this recession it might be more difficult to acquire financing from philanthropic and charitable organisations but then again because it is an Internet service and needs no physical presence the overhead would be significantly diminished.
It is always the decision of the user of the service whether to continue using the service provider or not. In many ways this provider has gone out of his way to be or at least appear to be democratic. How often does your mental health center ask for your input as to how it is run or care at all if any of its' services are to your liking! Of course it is much more complicated than this and there are specific reasons why in this particular case the users are allowed and/or encouraged to contribute to decisions made as to how the service is provided. ( I am not sure how much of this is just for show) Do we actually have any real input or just the appearance of it?) Who knows some of the reasons could even be altruistic.
Even if we did this daunting task of running our own service this community is not unlike any other where we constantly have to be vigilant against power and corruption. I am speaking from experience. People who's motives are entirely altruistic can be corrupted. We are human. Well I don't always feel that way:)
Does anyone think it is a feasible idea that we could try and start up a member designed and driven site like this ourselves? Do we have people here with the technical talent? Would enough people be motivated? Do people even have time to contribute to the making of such a site? Do more people than I realise have the need to have an authority figure in charge?
Am I being an idealist with WAY TOO MUCH TIME on my hands?
oky
I promise if no one is intersted I will stop talking about this
Posted by twinleaf on December 13, 2009, at 19:44:01
In reply to Re: Posting under my real name, posted by okydoky on December 13, 2009, at 13:46:59
I think that would be wonderful. A democratic, user-run site might bring back some of the irreplaceable posters we have lost, and provide a safe forum in which we could grow and move forward. I know very little about how this could be done, but I would definitely support anyone who wants to give it a try.
Posted by okydoky on December 13, 2009, at 20:11:10
In reply to an independent forum...., posted by twinleaf on December 13, 2009, at 19:44:01
I feel the same way. I don't know much either. My cousin designs web sites but I am sure this would be way too much work for him.
I was trying to generate some interest and maybe some posters who have some skills we could use. I think when i am feeling a bit better I might be able to look into how to go about applying for funding from foundations and fiduciaries.
I have a lot of time so if someone has the knowledge to direct me ...
It might take some time to even get it started but wouldn't it be great!
oky
Posted by Kath on December 14, 2009, at 17:57:46
In reply to an independent forum...., posted by twinleaf on December 13, 2009, at 19:44:01
(((you)))
xo Kath
Posted by Kath on December 14, 2009, at 18:42:10
In reply to Re: Posting under my real name, posted by okydoky on December 13, 2009, at 13:46:59
That is one of the reasons I think it would be . Not an easy or quick task. There would be financial considerations as well as technical ones and of course what we are always debating, the basic structure.
**A group can be started on Yahoo Groups. It is free. I think it is easy to set up. So if you're okay with the group being on Yahoo, it would be totally free. I think whoever wanted to set it up might need to create a Yahoo email address.
> Even if we did this daunting task of running our own service this community is not unlike any other where we constantly have to be vigilant against power and corruption. I am speaking from experience. People who's motives are entirely altruistic can be corrupted. We are human. Well I don't always feel that way:)> Does anyone think it is a feasible idea that we could try and start up a member designed and driven site like this ourselves?
**totally feasible.
Do we have people here with the technical talent?
**I honestly think Yahoo has made it as 'easy as 1-2-3' - see my post below.
Would enough people be motivated?
**I don't know.
Do people even have time to contribute to the making of such a site?
**Feel free to babblemail me, but I'm not doing to well right about now.
> Am I being an idealist with WAY TOO MUCH TIME on my hands?**I doubt it.
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> oky
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> I promise if no one is intersted I will stop talking about this**It sounds like people are interested.
Kath
Posted by twinleaf on December 14, 2009, at 19:23:27
In reply to Hardly ever here; SURE is nice to see your nam » twinleaf, posted by Kath on December 14, 2009, at 17:57:46
THANK YOU, KATH!!!
It's good to have the info about a Yahoo site. We might have to explore the degree of interest via babblemail rather than online here, where there might be conflicting loyalties or uneasiness about declaring one's preference.
Posted by Kath on December 14, 2009, at 19:33:52
In reply to Re: Hardly ever here; SURE is nice to see your nam » Kath, posted by twinleaf on December 14, 2009, at 19:23:27
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