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Posted by fayeroe on July 8, 2010, at 15:07:12
In reply to Re: potential for hurt, potential to help » Deneb, posted by 10derHeart on July 8, 2010, at 14:46:39
Posted by 8675309 on July 8, 2010, at 15:09:02
In reply to Re: potential for hurt, potential to help » Deneb, posted by 10derHeart on July 8, 2010, at 14:46:39
If there was an attempt at ?humor? or candor, it has fallen short of its mark. AND just because a star pupil suggests something does not meam the otjher pupils deserve dismissiveness if there is disagreement.
Posted by Deneb on July 8, 2010, at 15:39:34
In reply to Re: potential for hurt » Dr. Bob, posted by jade k on July 8, 2010, at 15:06:34
Oh, I think I get it now!
Dr. Bob kind of made fun of us, but in a good way that compliments us. I think he is basically saying that instead of Babblers overestimating their abilities like regular people, we underestimate ourselves (when everyone assumes their posts will not be selected as helpful).
I think Dr. Bob is saying we are more helpful than we think, and our answers are more valuable than we assume.
Dr. Bob is just saying that Babblers should see all the good they do and try not to focus on all the negatives. It's like CBT really, we need to see ourselves in our true light. Normal people see themselves as better than others and we see ourselves as worse, but neither are right.
Posted by Dinah on July 8, 2010, at 15:52:07
In reply to Re: potential for hurt, posted by Deneb on July 8, 2010, at 15:39:34
And this would help that how? No matter how it's structured, I see more people feeling bad than good.
Posted by fayeroe on July 8, 2010, at 15:59:31
In reply to Re: potential for hurt, posted by Deneb on July 8, 2010, at 15:39:34
Posted by fayeroe on July 8, 2010, at 16:03:01
In reply to Re: potential for hurt, potential to help, posted by 8675309 on July 8, 2010, at 15:09:02
"AND just because a star pupil suggests something"
I like the "star pupil" statement. Makes it easier for me to process. Thanks, Faye
Posted by PartlyCloudy on July 8, 2010, at 16:03:28
In reply to Re: potential for hurt » Deneb, posted by Dinah on July 8, 2010, at 15:52:07
> And this would help that how? No matter how it's structured, I see more people feeling bad than good.
I know *I* am feeling that way. This does not bode well for my decision to return here. What was I thinking??!! "Danger, Will Robinson!!"
Posted by PartlyCloudy on July 8, 2010, at 16:05:16
In reply to Re: potential for hurt, potential to help, posted by Deneb on July 8, 2010, at 13:21:09
> Oops, I mean Wobeher lol
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> Wobegon, Wobeher, funny play on wordsFunny like a blonde joke, IMO.
Not funny. I have interpreted this very differently.
pc
Posted by Dinah on July 8, 2010, at 16:17:16
In reply to Re: potential for hurt, potential to help, posted by Deneb on July 8, 2010, at 6:07:12
> Hey Dinah,
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> I bet almost all of your posts would get selected as best answer! You're one of the most helpful people on Babble!
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> DenebI suppose that over time i'd be both helpful and unhelpful in posting. The funny thing is that being labeled either would be uncomfortable in different ways. Do you imagine I'd want my post to be rated "best" answer any more than I'd like to be considered unhelpful?
If this were a forum about transmissions or spark plugs, I can see the benefit of encouraging expert factual responses and discouraging others. On a forum about mental health issues it seems less a good idea. To the extent Babble is a community, I don't see it as appropriate. In a community, all members should be valued because all members are part of the community.
Posted by Dinah on July 8, 2010, at 16:22:03
In reply to Re: I have an idea for Babble, posted by Dr. Bob on July 3, 2010, at 2:25:00
> If people felt bad about not having many points, maybe others could help them with their answers, or not to feel so bad about it?
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> BobPerhaps it's difficult for a brilliant and reticent mastermind to understand why this would be even more upsetting to the rest of us.
Posted by fayeroe on July 8, 2010, at 16:36:02
In reply to Re: potential for hurt, posted by Deneb on July 8, 2010, at 15:39:34
Posted by fayeroe on July 8, 2010, at 16:39:03
In reply to Re: I have an idea for Babble, posted by Dinah on July 8, 2010, at 16:22:03
Posted by Willful on July 8, 2010, at 17:12:28
In reply to Re: potential for hurt, potential to help, posted by Dr. Bob on July 8, 2010, at 4:10:54
As far as lake woebegone, I see but don't particularly appreciate the analogy. I see valid doubts about this idea. There's no helpfulness in rating posters responses-- nor in fact any particular meaningfulness. What are we going to do then-- get into disagreements about which post is really the most helpful? Where posts seem to take opposite points of view, this seems especially unproductive.
It's one thing on a translation site, where some translations might be incorrect. Even there, I question its value, because often most or several of the translations are correct . But on a psychology website, I assume that all the answers are correct, in some or several respects. Just seems to invite a sense of invidious comparisons being made.
Anyway, it trivializes the ideas being offered for them to be "rated." I don't think ideas can be rated on a scale like that. Nor should they be.
Willful
Posted by fayeroe on July 8, 2010, at 17:16:57
In reply to Re: potential for hurt, posted by Deneb on July 8, 2010, at 15:39:34
Posted by fayeroe on July 8, 2010, at 17:30:16
In reply to Re: potential for hurt, potential to help, posted by Dr. Bob on July 8, 2010, at 4:10:54
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> That could be the news from Lake Wobeher, where all the women are weak, all the men are bad looking, and all the posters are below average.
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> BobPlease don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person, and I'm sorry if this hurts you.
Fayeroe
Posted by jade k on July 8, 2010, at 17:51:57
In reply to Re: potential4hurt, potential4help.... PBC » Dr. Bob, posted by fayeroe on July 8, 2010, at 17:30:16
> > That could be the news from Lake Wobeher, where all the women are weak, all the men are bad looking, and all the posters are below average.
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> > BobWould anyone be willing to try to show Dr. Bob how he might rephrase the above or to encourage him to apologize? You may have the power to help him avoid being...
Posted by Justherself54 on July 8, 2010, at 17:52:24
In reply to Re: potential4hurt, potential4help.... PBC » Dr. Bob, posted by fayeroe on July 8, 2010, at 17:30:16
I didn't get the joke, then when I got it, I didn't like it. I'm not fond of jokes that are obtuse. As for the rating of posts, what I see as happening is the more articulate people will post, and the rest, like me, will avoid posting. I already feel some intimation at the best of times on the med board. Knowing my post was subject to a rating system kinda horrifies me.
I agree with Dinah..this isn't a forum where you're asking about spark plugs or how to fix your computer..our illnesses are far more complex.
If I read a post on some forum that is rated, say, about computer problems, I know I run the risk I could damage my computer. I would not want the responsibility of rating a post that may appear to be the "best" and "correct" answer, when, in fact, it would be a dangerous and incorrect answer.
I get scared enough reading some posts on the med board, especially with regard to self-medication..let alone have the wrong answer rated highly and someone gets hurt..or worse.
Just my $.01 worth!
Posted by fayeroe on July 8, 2010, at 18:07:59
In reply to Re: potential to help Dr. Bob, posted by jade k on July 8, 2010, at 17:51:57
Posted by jade k on July 8, 2010, at 18:15:25
In reply to Re: potential to help Dr. Bob, posted by jade k on July 8, 2010, at 17:51:57
> > > That could be the news from Lake Wobeher, where all the women are weak, all the men are bad looking, and all the posters are below average.
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> > > Bob
>As Hsiung told me, Im continually humbled by the wisdom, determination and caring that they show. Virginia Heffernan, NYTimes
How do we reconcile these two statements Dr. Bob?
~Jade
Posted by fayeroe on July 8, 2010, at 18:16:52
In reply to Re: potential to help Dr. Bob, posted by jade k on July 8, 2010, at 17:51:57
> > > That could be the news from Lake Wobeher, where all the women are weak, all the men are bad looking, and all the posters are below average.
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> > > Bob
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> Would anyone be willing to try to show Dr. Bob how he might rephrase the above or to encourage him to apologize? You may have the power to help him avoid being...No one stepped up to help the poster. I guess no one wanted to take the opportunity to show the poster how re-phrasing with an apology to the posters could help him.
I appreciate your trying to help but it was too little, too late.
Faye
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Posted by jade k on July 8, 2010, at 18:22:51
In reply to Re: potential to help Dr. Bob » jade k, posted by fayeroe on July 8, 2010, at 18:16:52
> > > > That could be the news from Lake Wobeher, where all the women are weak, all the men are bad looking, and all the posters are below average.
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> > > > Bob
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> > Would anyone be willing to try to show Dr. Bob how he might rephrase the above or to encourage him to apologize? You may have the power to help him avoid being...
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> No one stepped up to help the poster. I guess no one wanted to take the opportunity to show the poster how re-phrasing with an apology to the posters could help him.
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> I appreciate your trying to help but it was too little, too late.
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> Faye
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Jade
Posted by jade k on July 8, 2010, at 18:30:34
In reply to Re: NOoooooo!!! (((((((Dr. Bob)))))))))), posted by jade k on July 8, 2010, at 18:22:51
And thats the news folks here at "Lake Wobeher",
"Too Little, Too Late."
Reporting live....
Jade Kelly
Posted by PartlyCloudy on July 8, 2010, at 18:36:37
In reply to Re: 'Too Little....Too Late', posted by jade k on July 8, 2010, at 18:30:34
> And thats the news folks here at "Lake Wobeher",
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> "Too Little, Too Late."
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> Reporting live....
> Jade KellySuper job of reporting!
Unfortunately, this here ain't no fictional "Lake Wobeher"; we are real people. Weak, bad looking, and below average? So we're being told. Ouch!
Posted by Deneb on July 8, 2010, at 18:46:36
In reply to Re: 'Too Little....Too Late' » jade k, posted by PartlyCloudy on July 8, 2010, at 18:36:37
I didn't want to upset people. I honestly thought this would be a good idea and that it would help people.
Dr. Bob, can you just forget about this whole idea? I'm sorry I suggested it.
Posted by fayeroe on July 8, 2010, at 18:59:28
In reply to :-( I feel bad now, posted by Deneb on July 8, 2010, at 18:46:36
> I didn't want to upset people. I honestly thought this would be a good idea and that it would help people.
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> Dr. Bob, can you just forget about this whole idea? I'm sorry I suggested it.
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>Deneb, I don't think you have anything to apologize for. You believed that you had a good idea and there was a lot of discussion and some of the "discussion" went a bit awry and that was picked up on and "cussed and discussed". :-)
The latter part of this thread had absolutely nothing to do with your ideas. It was about the "Lake W" post. So rest assured that none of this was brought on by you, okay? Erase that idea right out of your head! :-) Pat
p.s. i think your idea sounded like fun but not for a mental health forum...you might try it out on a Yahoo group?
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