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Posted by maggie1970 on June 1, 2005, at 11:52:45
Hi everyone:
I tried a bunch of things, am trying Magnesium Malate, TMG, omega 3's, Taurine, Niacinamide. I did not want to take dexadrine anymore after a scary mood crash the other night, but today I cannot seem to motivate myself enough to move from my house and need to go to work. I'm scared at how bad this is. So I took some about two hours ago. Does anyone have these crashes, and know a way to cut them off? When I take dex (two 5 mg's), I feel so much better, great, and brighter mood, and motivated to go out. But if I get down, it magnifies it to a scary amount. I have a lot of things going on which are getting me down, and am seeing my counselor today, and am wondering if there is anything else I can take? I don't want anymore SSri's! In fact, I would love to know if anyone knows anything that can get rid of whatever they leave in your body? It's been a few years since I took them, but I never felt back to "normal" after taking ssri's. I read an article about something like a liver cleanse, but it cost like $200. Anyway, that is tangential, I'm not manicky, but I feel it at the moment. I'm working on cbt with my counselor, and take klonopin (1 mg today) but am so scared about the crash, if it comes. I know exercise is good, but I can't seem to motivate myself to leave the house, let alone exercise. I am just so low. I feel like I am taking all the right things, alternative things, going to a counselor, eating well. I feel so lost. Can anyone suggest anything else to me? I'm frightened at how bad I feel. Thanks, Maggie
Posted by ebauman on June 1, 2005, at 16:17:11
In reply to extreme depression, not sure where to turn, posted by maggie1970 on June 1, 2005, at 11:52:45
> Hi everyone:
> I tried a bunch of things, am trying Magnesium Malate, TMG, omega 3's, Taurine, Niacinamide. I did not want to take dexadrine anymore after a scary mood crash the other night, but today I cannot seem to motivate myself enough to move from my house and need to go to work. I'm scared at how bad this is. So I took some about two hours ago. Does anyone have these crashes, and know a way to cut them off? When I take dex (two 5 mg's), I feel so much better, great, and brighter mood, and motivated to go out. But if I get down, it magnifies it to a scary amount. I have a lot of things going on which are getting me down, and am seeing my counselor today, and am wondering if there is anything else I can take? I don't want anymore SSri's! In fact, I would love to know if anyone knows anything that can get rid of whatever they leave in your body? It's been a few years since I took them, but I never felt back to "normal" after taking ssri's. I read an article about something like a liver cleanse, but it cost like $200. Anyway, that is tangential, I'm not manicky, but I feel it at the moment. I'm working on cbt with my counselor, and take klonopin (1 mg today) but am so scared about the crash, if it comes. I know exercise is good, but I can't seem to motivate myself to leave the house, let alone exercise. I am just so low. I feel like I am taking all the right things, alternative things, going to a counselor, eating well. I feel so lost. Can anyone suggest anything else to me? I'm frightened at how bad I feel. Thanks, MaggieHi Maggie,
You might find these articles helpful - the author talks about dealing with crashes:
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/5/9/83936/58483
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/5/1/84630/44140Good luck,
emil
Posted by Grace Gaia on June 1, 2005, at 21:39:25
In reply to extreme depression, not sure where to turn, posted by maggie1970 on June 1, 2005, at 11:52:45
> Hi everyone:
> I tried a bunch of things, am trying Magnesium Malate, TMG, omega 3's, Taurine, Niacinamide. I did not want to take dexadrine anymore after a scary mood crash the other night, but today I cannot seem to motivate myself enough to move from my house and need to go to work. I'm scared at how bad this is. So I took some about two hours ago. Does anyone have these crashes, and know a way to cut them off? When I take dex (two 5 mg's), I feel so much better, great, and brighter mood, and motivated to go out. But if I get down, it magnifies it to a scary amount. I have a lot of things going on which are getting me down, and am seeing my counselor today, and am wondering if there is anything else I can take? I don't want anymore SSri's! In fact, I would love to know if anyone knows anything that can get rid of whatever they leave in your body? It's been a few years since I took them, but I never felt back to "normal" after taking ssri's. I read an article about something like a liver cleanse, but it cost like $200. Anyway, that is tangential, I'm not manicky, but I feel it at the moment. I'm working on cbt with my counselor, and take klonopin (1 mg today) but am so scared about the crash, if it comes. I know exercise is good, but I can't seem to motivate myself to leave the house, let alone exercise. I am just so low. I feel like I am taking all the right things, alternative things, going to a counselor, eating well. I feel so lost. Can anyone suggest anything else to me? I'm frightened at how bad I feel. Thanks, Maggie
Dear Maggie,
I'm sorry to hear your aren't feeling well. I personally have good luck with the Bach Flower essences and I can think of a few that may help you. First Crab apple is good for the feeling that the ssri's are still in your system. And olive,sweet chestnut, rescue remedy, to name a few could help with the depression.
Check out the Bach flower remedies. you won't be sorry.
Good luck, Grace
Posted by Jazzed on June 7, 2005, at 9:52:54
In reply to extreme depression, not sure where to turn, posted by maggie1970 on June 1, 2005, at 11:52:45
Hi Maggie,
You kind of have to figure out which neurotransmitter is low in your brain, and then supplement that. If it's serotonin, then 5 HTP will probably help, and it helps pretty quickly - within the same day. The only brand I've found that works really well is Natrol, and I get it at the health food store or grocery. If the SSRIs made you feel better, than 5 HTP will too. The beauty of it is that there aren't the side effects, and there's no withdrawl. You can take it when you're feeling down. I take 100 mg., and if I don't feel better, I take 100 mg. more every hour until I do, up to 700mg, but you have to figure out if you can take that much. What I've noticed is that if you continue to take the higher doses over a period of time it's kind of counterproductive.
If you're low on Norepinephrine, then L-tyrosine might help. There are also the other "natural" anti-depressants, SAMe, which I really like, but is expensive, St John's Wort, and Inisitol. I haven't tried the latter two.
Have you tried Wellbutrin? It works for some people and is a stimulating anti-depressant.
Hope you feel better soon,
Jazzy
Posted by linkadge on June 7, 2005, at 20:05:44
In reply to Re: extreme depression, not sure where to turn » maggie1970, posted by Jazzed on June 7, 2005, at 9:52:54
Try not to make any huge changes in your dexedrine intake at one time. You'll be bound for disaster and be back on it in no time.
Very slowly reduce the amount (perhaps open up capsules) and then experiment with the natural things and try and find ones that can help with the dexedrine withdrawl.
Not all the alternatives are for everyone and some can worsen certain symptoms. So, if you try a whole whackload of alternatives at once, you'll likely feel awefull.
I know, we all want results quickly, but quick results (ie dexedrine) are not always the best at serving the body.
Like the previous poster mentioned, give tyrosine a try, after using dexedrine long term this nutrient may be the one your body's starved of the most.
Take care.
Linkadge
Posted by TamaraJ on June 14, 2005, at 15:48:47
In reply to Re: extreme depression, not sure where to turn, posted by Grace Gaia on June 1, 2005, at 21:39:25
Hi,
Do you find the Bach Flower remedies really helpful? Have you ever tried the ones that are supposed to be good for apathy (I think it is Hornbean or Wild Rose)? Thanks.
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