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Posted by davidm on November 23, 2004, at 11:02:17
Hello, I have finally figured out the cause of my lifetime of disphoric mania, (self disgnosed just reciently) when drinking milk or taking calcium supplements for a few days in a row, i develop the Disphoric Mania, Agitated depression with racing thoughts and mental confusion. A few days after discontinuing the calcium, the symptoms go away. Does any one else have this same problem and result. I was treated with lithium and tegretol for cyclothymia in the past with no improvement and had to discontinue the drugs to the astonishment of my doctor. He was an expert in cyclothmia at the time (1986), but did not know about disphoric mania and thru up his hands.
Would love to get feedback on this issue.
David M
Posted by raybakes on November 23, 2004, at 11:57:36
In reply to Calcium link to Disphoric Mania?, posted by davidm on November 23, 2004, at 11:02:17
> Hello, I have finally figured out the cause of my lifetime of disphoric mania, (self disgnosed just reciently) when drinking milk or taking calcium supplements for a few days in a row, i develop the Disphoric Mania, Agitated depression with racing thoughts and mental confusion. A few days after discontinuing the calcium, the symptoms go away. Does any one else have this same problem and result. I was treated with lithium and tegretol for cyclothymia in the past with no improvement and had to discontinue the drugs to the astonishment of my doctor. He was an expert in cyclothmia at the time (1986), but did not know about disphoric mania and thru up his hands.
>
> Would love to get feedback on this issue.
Hi David, the ability to regulate calcium is so important for our health. The excitatory neurotransmitter glutamate opens up neurons to allow calcium to enter - calcium in turn speeds up the metabolism of the cell - if there aren't enough inhibitory factors (eg magnesium, GABA), the neuron becomes 'Manic' and then crashes and burns! Do you think this relates to you?Ray
Posted by davidm on November 23, 2004, at 23:18:12
In reply to Re: Calcium link to Disphoric Mania? » davidm, posted by raybakes on November 23, 2004, at 11:57:36
Hello Raybakes.
Yes it does, the incline into mania usually increases relative to the amount of calcium I ingest and the number of days I take it. If I take a standard calcium supplement of 500mg, the hypomania starts immediately. Within a few days it escalates out of control into the rapid firing of mania and depression at the exact time what appears to be called dysphoric mania-agitated depression.
What exactly happens, during this time is that any positive thought triggers an immediate opiate euphoria from an electrical buzzing in between my shoulder blades in the spinal area that instantly turns to hyper agitation and mental fogginess. If I continue to take the calcium, the occurrence of this process increases to many times an hour. Once I stop taking the calcium the disorder calms down. To speed up the process of returning to normal I take a whole food supplement with a perfect amino acid and mineral balance for the body. I receiently found milk and yogurt to have the same devastating effect on me. A diet high in protein and vegetables with the supplements pretty much returns me to normal with no fear of it returning.
Posted by Larry Hoover on December 10, 2004, at 9:40:09
In reply to Re: Calcium link to Disphoric Mania?, posted by davidm on November 23, 2004, at 23:18:12
> Hello Raybakes.
> Yes it does, the incline into mania usually increases relative to the amount of calcium I ingest and the number of days I take it. If I take a standard calcium supplement of 500mg, the hypomania starts immediately. Within a few days it escalates out of control into the rapid firing of mania and depression at the exact time what appears to be called dysphoric mania-agitated depression.
> What exactly happens, during this time is that any positive thought triggers an immediate opiate euphoria from an electrical buzzing in between my shoulder blades in the spinal area that instantly turns to hyper agitation and mental fogginess. If I continue to take the calcium, the occurrence of this process increases to many times an hour. Once I stop taking the calcium the disorder calms down. To speed up the process of returning to normal I take a whole food supplement with a perfect amino acid and mineral balance for the body. I receiently found milk and yogurt to have the same devastating effect on me. A diet high in protein and vegetables with the supplements pretty much returns me to normal with no fear of it returning.Magnesium might well keep this from happening. Another possibility is taurine. Taurine is dirt-cheap at body-builder suppliers. If you get into this acute calcium thing again, try a half teaspoon (about 2 grams) of taurine.
Lar
Posted by melodi on July 25, 2007, at 20:50:11
In reply to Calcium link to Disphoric Mania?, posted by davidm on November 23, 2004, at 11:02:17
I have been experiencing a great deal of symptoms that you have mentioned and strongly feel that I may have disphoric mania. I would really appreciate finding out more about this subject. If you can please help in any way at all. Melodi1329@yahoo.com
Posted by Optimist on August 28, 2007, at 23:48:05
In reply to Calcium link to Disphoric Mania?, posted by davidm on November 23, 2004, at 11:02:17
Calcium can increase norepinephrine levels, which then can increase fear/anxiety. Fear/anxiety tends to increase dysphoric mania, where as dopamine increases anger/pleasure seeking behaviour which is more common to euphoric mania.
Here is a interesting article that outlines this theory.
http://www.mcmanweb.com/fear_anger.htm
The calcium/norepinephrine association is a part of other research I am doing. :)
Brian
Posted by chiron on October 13, 2007, at 13:43:09
In reply to Re: Calcium link to Disphoric Mania? » davidm, posted by melodi on July 25, 2007, at 20:50:11
Interesting. I thought Calcium was suppose to be calming. I am looking for ways to ease my agitation because all of the mood-stabilizers make my agitation worse.
(But being female, it's also suppose to help pms & cramps.)
Posted by Amigan on October 13, 2008, at 10:23:52
In reply to Calcium link to Disphoric Mania?, posted by davidm on November 23, 2004, at 11:02:17
> Hello, I have finally figured out the cause of my lifetime of disphoric mania, (self disgnosed just reciently) when drinking milk or taking calcium supplements for a few days in a row, i develop the Disphoric Mania, Agitated depression with racing thoughts and mental confusion.
Uh... I have also observed a relation between calcium intake and dysphoric mania in myself, but i thought it was just me! I have even took diuretics to help my body get rid of it.
Interestingly, i have observed exactly the same with bananas! I don't know why.
Posted by elanor roosevelt on January 3, 2009, at 22:36:00
In reply to Re: Calcium link to Disphoric Mania? » davidm, posted by Amigan on October 13, 2008, at 10:23:52
how interesting this all is when consided in the context that women are encouraged to take such large amounts of calcium
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