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Posted by bleauberry on February 7, 2008, at 22:41:35
In reply to Re: Effexor XR » bleauberry, posted by clipper40 on February 3, 2008, at 9:43:28
> Are those 5 West Coast doctors listed in the book you mentioned? If not, how do we find a doctor who knows enough about mercury poisoning and chelation?
Those doctors are available by asking at frequent-dose-chelation forum or adult-metal-chelation forum on Yahoo. Both excellent. I'm sure there are others, but hard to find. The most important thing is to have any doctor of any kind who is open minded and flexible. An ego, a preset agenda, a rigid agenda, going strictly by the Physicians Desk Reference...these things will keep you sick indefinitely.
What most doctors know about chelation is what they have on their desk reference. Which is basically a DMSA or DPMS IV challenge test, and followup IVs to get the metals. These are wicked dangerous. Spend some time at the forums and you'll find more horror stories than you can count. The frequent dose protocol has zero horror stories. You can do it on your own even without a doctor.
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> My holistic doctor wants me to have my fillings out and suggested a dentist but that's where she left it. I fear that could do more harm than good without the proper follow-up.
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>Your holistic doctor is wise. Except, he should be pounding the table for you to do it, not just politely suggesting it. I could have avoided much worse poisoning and suffering if I had listened to mine who said the same thing. But, who ever heard of amalgam poisoning? How come mercury poisoning isn't well known? Is my doctor just grabbing at straws? I was skeptical, as are most people when they first hear about it.
There are dentists who specialize in it. Find one. They use the safest methods to avoid a lot of new mercury exposure during the process. Search for biological dentists. I had none in my State, but found one 1 1/2 hours away by doing a google search. They were awesome, fast, and very knowledgeable. I mean, when you see a dentist wearing a chemical gas mask, you know they take mercury seriously.
Despite the safest methods (constant suction in the mouth, charcoal in the mouth, strong suction ventilation out of the room, filters, etc) there will be some new exposure. But that's it. The constant 24/7 exposure is gone.
Some people do not chelate after. Some of them gradually get better, many don't.
Chelation is really quite simple and cheap. Oral DMSA can be purchased online without a prescription from several USA sources. You want 25mg to split into halves or quarters. But it has to be the right method. Any other way is too risky. You can begin immediately after the amalgams are gone.
Posted by clipper40 on February 7, 2008, at 22:41:36
In reply to Re: Effexor XR, posted by bleauberry on February 4, 2008, at 20:45:21
Thanks for all of the info. I will check out the forums etc. My holistic doctor is quite knowledgeable but she doesn't really give a d*mn about her patients so I take what info she has to offer but the motivation has to come from me.
Can I ask you about how much money I should expect to spend? That's been the big deterrent up to this point as I've wanted to have them removed for a while now. I'm afraid it's going to cost about $10k and I just don't have that.
Posted by bleauberry on February 7, 2008, at 22:41:36
In reply to Re: Effexor XR » bleauberry, posted by clipper40 on February 5, 2008, at 3:01:32
> Thanks for all of the info. I will check out the forums etc. My holistic doctor is quite knowledgeable but she doesn't really give a d*mn about her patients so I take what info she has to offer but the motivation has to come from me.
Excellent. I think all people should be like that, no matter who the doctor is. We alone are responsible for our own lives.
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> Can I ask you about how much money I should expect to spend? That's been the big deterrent up to this point as I've wanted to have them removed for a while now. I'm afraid it's going to cost about $10k and I just don't have that.$10K?? Not even. My total cost with amalgam removals, supplements, and chelation meds has been about $1,500.
Insurance likely will not cover it. I paid cash or credit for everything. There is actually a place you can get an interest free loan. I wish I had the info. It is on google somewhere if you do a search on free loans for amalgam removal.
Here's what costs can roughly be expected, based on what I personally paid:
Each filling $300 (I had 4 huge ones)
The preliminary visit (insurance did cover this, but I think the cost was about $100)
Try to get them all out in one visit. That will keep costs down. I had to suggest it, ask for it, and push for it. Usually they like to do one quadrant at a time. Just get it done and over with.If any of the fillings are in bad teeth, rotten teeth, or rear molars or wisdom teeth, just have the whole tooth pulled. That is about $75. I had that done with one of my rear molars that had a huge amalgam in it, partly because the tooth was not in great shape, partly to save money, and partly to completely avoid mercury exposure in that case.
After the fillings are out:
DMSA 25mg from Vitamin Research Products (I forgot, I want to say about $30 for a bottle). Since you will be dividing capsule contents into halves or quarters, the bottle will last several months.
Basic supplements people take, depending on what you can tolerate: (all of these are 3 to 4 times per day doses)
Vitamin C buffered, all you handle.
Vitamin E 1000IU per day total.
Zinc 25mg-50mg day.
Selenium 200mcg-400mcg day.
B complex.
Magnesium.
Minerals taken separately or in a multivitamin.
COQ10 is recommended, but I notice not that many people actually take it.
Avoid copper from common vitamins or drinking water from copper pipes. Most mercury exposed people already have too much copper. Selenium, molybdenum, avoidance, and time will bring copper levels down.There are tons of other supplements. The above are the foundation. One of the worst of the many bad things mercury does is cause a massive amount of oxidative damage, which is why high doses of antioxidants are used.
I am very sensitive. I can not tolerate high doses of B vitamins and magnesium feels like poison to me, though practically everyone else loves it. The other ones listed I am fine with.
Other than that I also take digestive enzymes which is about $40 a month. Probiotics about $30 a month. I have many gut issues. Mercury did a number on my intestines.After a few months of DMSA only you will then add alpha lipoic acid from Kirkmans. They make a 25mg capsule. You will take in the neighborhood of 3mg to 15mg per dose. Most people tolerate that. Any more too early stirs up too much mercury too fast.
Here's the chronology:
Begin supplements now.
Get fillings out.
Begin 12.5mg DMSA every 4 hours (including at night) for 3 days, then stop for 4 days. Keep repeating. If you feel good on it, you can go longer. If you feel you need more time between rounds, that is fine. DMSA removes extracellular mercury and lead.
After a couple or three months you will then add ALA. Then your dosing will switch to every 3 hours around the clock during rounds. ALA removes intracellular mercury and arsenic from inside tissues, glands, and the brain. Some people detox with ALA only, but most people find they feel better with DMSA in the mix. Do not use ALA alone after filling removal for at least 3 months. It not only takes mercury out of the brain, but will also allow it to cross into the brain...thus the need to reduce the body burden with DMSA first so that all that body mercury doesn't go to the brain. Once the body burden is low, then the flow with ALA will be from the brain to the body, not vica versa.Amalgam removal and chelation really is not costly at all considering the alternative. Not doing anything is a pretty sure bet on an accelerated death process with one new illness after another keep popping up and piling up. Now that costs a lot.
Most people who do chelation after amalgam removal experience significant improvement in all of the myriads of symptoms, and many experience complete cures. Depending on how much metals are moving on each round, each round will feel different. I've had a few that were characterized by fatigue, glumness, depressed mood. I've had a couple that were like I was reborn and felt like I did 30 years ago. I know for sure my body and brain are capable of feeling completely healthy, because I have had glimpses of it. Just gotta keep chelating. The author says chelate, chelate, chelate some more. Some of those metals are deeply imbedded. Some people see great results in a few rounds, while others don't notice much until after a year or two. With the low dose frequent dose protocol, I would say 95% of people see major improvements and 0% get worse. With all other protocols, maybe 20% of people improve while 80% get much worse.
The best drug I have ever taken for my depression was...DMSA. I felt so awesome when mercury was lifted from somewhere. There is still a lot left though. Gotta keep at it.
I know I suggested the Yahoo forum frequent-dose-chelation. Another good one is adult-metal-chelation. They had a string of posts recently on the horror stories of wrong protocols.
You are on a good path. Find the money to those amalgams out. It should be in the neighborhood of $300 each. Find a dentist who uses the special safety procedures, not just any run of the mill dentist. Even that though would be better than not doing anything.
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Posted by clipper40 on February 7, 2008, at 22:41:36
In reply to Re: Effexor XR » clipper40, posted by bleauberry on February 5, 2008, at 18:51:02
Thanks. I'll ask my holistic doctor when I see her soon for some names of dentists who specialize in this in my area.
My multivitamin has ALA in it and I've been taking that for a couple of months now. Guess I should stop that until a much later date.
One thing that confuses me is about the copper. My last test showed a copper deficiency so I'm a bit worried to take a lot of zinc now.
I already take most of the vitamins/supplements you've listed below so that shouldn't be a problem except maybe the selenium. That makes me quite nauseous for some reason and I've tried a few different types with the same result.
Thanks again for all of the detailed information.
Clipper
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