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Posted by Larry Hoover on October 10, 2004, at 6:01:49
In reply to Thanx, » Lar » (nm), posted by 64bowtie on October 10, 2004, at 2:26:17
Posted by partlycloudy on October 10, 2004, at 9:26:17
In reply to Re: 12 step programs (redirect from pb-Faith) » alexandra_k, posted by Larry Hoover on October 10, 2004, at 6:01:13
I don't want to get too involved here, but I do want to say that 12-step programmes do not work for everybody. I am one of those who did not respond well to AA. I have tried other other "flavours" of the 12-steps too. I appreciate the concern and advice of those who have directed me, but I finally acknowledged that this is not the way I am going to get better.
I am finding my own path, however, with therapy, medicine, and lots of introspection.
Posted by Cass on October 10, 2004, at 16:22:24
In reply to Re: 12 step programs (redirect from pb-Faith) » Cass, posted by Larry Hoover on October 9, 2004, at 22:58:46
Thanks for your input and for the link, Larry. I know that each persons idea of a higher power can be different in AA which is great. I also see God and Goodness as synonymous. The bible says "God is good," and I interpret that to mean that God is goodness itself. Goodness isn't simply a quality of that God has, rather that God and goodness are the same thing. There is great power in goodness. I don't believe all that's written in the bible or that the bible is the "the word of God," but I do believe there is wisdom to be found in it.
Best,
Cass
Posted by Cass on October 10, 2004, at 16:40:43
In reply to » Cass » ACA 12 step programs, posted by 64bowtie on October 10, 2004, at 2:24:09
Thanks for telling me about ACA world services. I guess I need to just go to the meetings and find out which ones feel best for me. I just looked for the ACA groups in my area. For some reason, there are very few ACA and CoDA meetings close by. I guess I'll have to go the extra mile.
Posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2004, at 17:27:34
In reply to Re: 12 step programs (redirect from pb-Faith) » alexandra_k, posted by Larry Hoover on October 10, 2004, at 6:01:13
> I hope you read my post, wherein I described my own struggle with god (and surrendering to him/her/it).....I added an o to the word, and came up with good. I think you might be able to surrender to good. I do think so. I hope that is not too presumptuous.
Oh, I get it now, I thought you were surrendering to God-o and I didn't see how that would help! (Especially if it was a pun on 'Godot' who never arrives!)
I agree that I could probably come up with something... and I could probably try to 'translate' everything that is said into something that is more consonant with my world view, but it all gets just so darn complicated...
Anyone tried 'rational recovery' as an alternative to AA / NA / ACOA etc???
Posted by partlycloudy on October 10, 2004, at 17:35:55
In reply to Re: 12 step programs (redirect from pb-Faith) » Larry Hoover, posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2004, at 17:27:34
Yup. Tried it.
Posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2004, at 19:07:35
In reply to Re: 12 step programs (redirect from pb-Faith) » alexandra_k, posted by partlycloudy on October 10, 2004, at 17:35:55
> Yup. Tried it.
How was it? I read the book, but it is only offered in Christchurch in NZ and I am not in that region.
I have been on two residential programs for drug addiction / abuse but what I found the most helpful for reducing my intake has been varsity. The only thing more important to me than drugs is university. I don't use before class, and I don't use at times when it will interfeare with my studies. I suppose that I am lucky there.
Aside from that - party on!
Though I should use a little less, reallly :-)
Posted by partlycloudy on October 10, 2004, at 19:11:58
In reply to Re: 12 step programs (redirect from pb-Faith), posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2004, at 19:07:35
I think you have found what works for you - keep your goal in mind. I would never recommend one recovery group over another because we are all as individuals so different. I would only be able to say what my experience was.
pc
Posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2004, at 19:53:11
In reply to Re: 12 step programs (redirect from pb-Faith), posted by partlycloudy on October 10, 2004, at 19:11:58
sure, I understand, point taken. Would you be willing to share your experience?
Posted by 64bowtie on October 11, 2004, at 2:57:34
In reply to Re: 12 step programs (redirect from pb-Faith), posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2004, at 19:53:11
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Posted by partlycloudy on October 11, 2004, at 4:26:02
In reply to Re: 12 step programs (redirect from pb-Faith), posted by alexandra_k on October 10, 2004, at 19:53:11
my experiences out here.
pc
Posted by Larry Hoover on October 11, 2004, at 8:32:54
In reply to Narc-anon is part of Scientology, y'know, posted by 64bowtie on October 11, 2004, at 2:57:34
I just want to make clear what is going on with this.
I think that there was a clear intent to confuse when the Scientologists created the sound-alike group called Narc-anon. It got them into high schools in California, for example, where some rather, uhhh, interesting concepts were expressed to the students.
Similar to AA and Al-anon, there is Narcotics Anonymous and Nar-anon, the latter for spouses or loved ones dealing with the behaviours of an addict.
You gotta be careful out there.
Lar
Posted by tootercat on October 11, 2004, at 17:26:26
In reply to Re: Narc-anon is part of Scientology, y'know » 64bowtie, posted by Larry Hoover on October 11, 2004, at 8:32:54
To me it is about acceptance and living life on "life's terms not MY terms" I may not always get what I WANT but I do get what I NEED. The more I try to control things the more out of control my life becomes. So when I accept people, places, situations and things I cannot change I have a whole lot more peace and freedom.
This does not mean I become a doorknob and let myself or others be abused; it means that when traffic is slow, or my coworker is not my favorite person, or I didn't get my way etc, I don't try to change anything except MY actions or MY perception. This is alot more involved than I can explain in one post......
I have been involved in 12 step (mostly AA) for almost 15 years. I would not have the life that I have now if not for the guidance and love and support that the members have given without reservation and without expecting something in return. I agree, however, that it is not for everyone.
As Larry stated (I think) none of the things in the program are required. It is a "suggested program of recovery"
I happen to believe in a power greater than myself who I choose to call God but I still don't know exactly who or what he or she is other than a prescence or a being that helps me to believe that I am not alone. I have chosen NOT to be religious about my God, but hopefully spiritual. My God is ever-evolving as I am and I like that because it gives me the freedom to grow and ask questions and learn. I spent 30 plus years feeling alone in a room full of people and now I have a constant companion.
On another note: I tried CodA at one point and found it not to have the structure and support that I needed.
Thanks for letting me share!Hugs,
Tooter
Posted by verne on October 11, 2004, at 18:40:42
In reply to Surrender does NOT mean giving up......, posted by tootercat on October 11, 2004, at 17:26:26
Surrender was the key for me too. I finally got out of the way and let go.
I really agree with you when you say, "To me it is about acceptance and living life on "life's terms not MY terms" I may not always get what I WANT but I do get what I NEED. The more I try to control things the more out of control my life becomes. So when I accept people, places, situations and things I cannot change I have a whole lot more peace and freedom."
In this borderline course I'm thinking about starting they also use the word, "Willingness" as opposed to "wilfullness". With more surrender and acceptance comes patience and peace.
I might get religious if I go on.
verne
Posted by Jai Narayan on October 11, 2004, at 19:19:47
In reply to Re: Surrender does NOT mean giving up...... » tootercat, posted by verne on October 11, 2004, at 18:40:42
let your voice call upon the highest of the high....I want to hear it ring.
So that's my way of saying "go for it Verne".
Jai
Posted by alexandra_k on October 11, 2004, at 21:41:05
In reply to I would rather not share » alexandra_k, posted by partlycloudy on October 11, 2004, at 4:26:02
> my experiences out here.
> pcI apologise if my question struck you as overly personal. I was just interested to hear your thoughts on RR as I have never met anyone who has had the opportunity to try it before.
Posted by 64bowtie on October 11, 2004, at 23:05:26
In reply to Re: Narc-anon is part of Scientology, y'know » 64bowtie, posted by Larry Hoover on October 11, 2004, at 8:32:54
...sometimes I take my knowlegde of the 12 steps for granted as being available to all. Naranon is a great program, based on the Big Book and the 12&12 just like Alanon. However, approach Narc-anon cautiously with an 11 foot pole.
Rod
Posted by partlycloudy on October 12, 2004, at 4:37:18
In reply to Re: I would rather not share » partlycloudy, posted by alexandra_k on October 11, 2004, at 21:41:05
No, not personal at all ! - I don't want to open up my experiences to a general discussion of the efficacy of these treatments (it has happened to me before!).
I would be happy to share. Feel free to babble mail me.
pc
Posted by AuntieMel on October 12, 2004, at 17:36:11
In reply to Re: 12 step programs (redirect from pb-Faith) » Larry Hoover, posted by partlycloudy on October 10, 2004, at 9:26:17
I couldn't hack AA either. I didn't like being in that large of a group and I would rather have my nails pulled out than "share" in public.
I went to an inpatient program for a few days and then several weeks outpatient stuff. In the outpatient stuff they had a saying "You can go to a therapist for $100 an hour or you can go to AA for a dollar."
I'll happily spend the $100.
Posted by alexandra_k on October 12, 2004, at 17:43:20
In reply to Re: I would rather not share » alexandra_k, posted by partlycloudy on October 12, 2004, at 4:37:18
Thanks for explaining, I understand. What is babblemail?
Posted by Larry Hoover on October 12, 2004, at 17:55:22
In reply to Re: I would rather not share » partlycloudy, posted by alexandra_k on October 12, 2004, at 17:43:20
> Thanks for explaining, I understand. What is babblemail?
Babblemail is a relatively new feature Bob installed. You have to turn it on if you want it, because the default setting is "off".
Babblemail lets you privately contact any other Babbler who also has babblemail turned on. If you send a babblemail to somebody, they only get notified that there is a message being relayed, and that it is from "YourPostingName", whatever that is. The recipient cannot use the reply feature as for any other email. That means if they want to reply, they themselves have to go to the babblemail window and create a message back to you.
The net result is private communication without any risk of having your identity or email address exposed. Bob's server keeps a trace in the form PersonA babblemailed PersonB, but he cannot see the contents. Also, the standard civility rules apply, so if you get a babblemail that is offensive, or from someone who is not supposed to post to you, you can forward that all to Bob, and it will be treated like any other civility violation.
The easiest was to get to the babblemail window is to click on a highlighted name. At the top of any post, there's the heading "Posted by joeblow". If joeblow has babblemail enabled, joeblow will be in blue, and clicking on the name takes you to babblemail. I can see that you do not have babblemail enabled, because your name is in black.
To enable babblemail, you have to go to the registration window, and reregister.
I hope that wasn't too confusing.
Lar
Posted by partlycloudy on October 12, 2004, at 17:55:24
In reply to Re: I would rather not share » partlycloudy, posted by alexandra_k on October 12, 2004, at 17:43:20
It's a way to email each other here at Babble while maintaining our posting names. I think if the poster has Babble Mail turned on, their posting name is underlined like a link. If you don't have it turned on, you can do so in the registration window.
or
you can email me at partlycloudy@gmail.com
Posted by partlycloudy on October 12, 2004, at 18:28:07
In reply to Babble Mail » alexandra_k, posted by partlycloudy on October 12, 2004, at 17:55:24
Posted by alesta on October 12, 2004, at 18:42:31
In reply to Like Lar said. (nm), posted by partlycloudy on October 12, 2004, at 18:28:07
Posted by saw on October 13, 2004, at 2:03:04
In reply to Re: babblemail » alexandra_k, posted by Larry Hoover on October 12, 2004, at 17:55:22
<<The easiest was to get to the babblemail window is to click on a highlighted name. At the top of any post, there's the heading "Posted by joeblow". If joeblow has babblemail enabled, joeblow will be in blue, and clicking on the name takes you to babblemail. I can see that you do not have babblemail enabled, because your name is in black.>>
IT FINALLY MAKES SENSE!!
Thanks Larry & PC
Sabrina
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