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Posted by Larry Hoover on November 27, 2005, at 8:36:33
In reply to Re: Sorry, Larry... spriggy's rambling to Lar, posted by spriggy on November 25, 2005, at 14:11:20
> First of all,
>
> I just feel really selfish right now asking you questions about meds,etc.. when you are going through so much yourself.Are you gonna make me drive all the way down there and .... and..... well, I don't know what, being a preacher's wife and everything.
Sasha, you honour me when you seek my counsel.
> Wow- in all honesty, you are one of the smartest people around- you seem to know an answer for everyone and you have always come across so strong!
Thank you.
> And even now, in your suffering, you still are strong; maybe tired/weary/worn out but you keep fighting the good fight!That's exactly right. And again, thank you.
> I agree with you; 1) you are a good man, and 2) I don't understand that block thing either.I'm real glad some of us have got it figured out. ;-) Although figuring out point 2 isn't really figuring it out. Hmmm. We better ask Toph about that.
> I don't know if your pain would be helped at all like my dad's has been but they installed a pump into his spine and he can walk again! ( It seems yours was your arm? though).It's my left arm. The same nerve that does your funny bone. I don't know why they call it that, because whenever I hit my funny bone, it wasn't funny at all. It's like when the doctor says, "This won't hurt a bit." I wanna say, "Here, Doc, let me not hurt you a bit with this thing you poked me with. Let's not hurt a bit, together."
Where was I? See, you got my mind off it. Anyway, that nerve that does the funny bone thing.....mine's locked on in funny bone mode. And to celebrate, the nerve has Level 2 functions that gamers at funny bone Level 1 haven't discovered yet. I have seriously looked at my arm as it is doing some of its marvels, and wondered if an alien was in there poking with the controls. My doctors do not support my alien theory, notwithstanding the television shows that have that exact thing happening, so it must be true somewhere? Just not in Canada?
Ooops. Distracted again. It's too soon for pumps. They're thinking about more surgery, though. I don't know what that's gonna be like, because the last one, when I came to in the recovery room, my first and instant awareness was me screaming in pain. I think they gave me four morphine injections (30 mg), to get me to shut the heck up. I was disturbing other people or something.
> Another thing that worked wonders for him was a pain patch.. and then he would take breakthrough meds when needed.I can't use a patch. My skin gets all weird under it. Anyway, I use sustained release pills with breakthrough meds when needed (like, always needed). Similar.
> I won't even attempt to compare my pain to yours, but some days, I hurt all over;achey/fevers/flu like. It gets very discouraging sometimes.No, honey, don't do comparisons, okay? Pain is pain, and I'm sorry you have it, and I'm sorry you know it's discouraging sometimes.
> THere are days I just pray for heaven!Some days, a little break, just a little one, would be heaven.
> I will be praying for you Lar! For comfort, relief from this pain, answers, wisdom, joy, peace and strength.Thank you. That's quite a list you got there. Sounds like you know somebody in the business. It's almost like I feel you joining with me in prayer. Thank you.
> You have many, many friends here.Yeah. Ain't it the truth. (Unless y'all were using your instruction 2 privileges, but I'll just assume otherwise. And if anybody wants to raise that issue, I'll just assume you were lying about lying, and where will that get you?)
I'm actually beaming here, but I don't know a smiley for that.
Lar
Posted by rainbowbrite on November 27, 2005, at 8:37:51
In reply to Re: Please tell me » rainbowbrite, posted by Larry Hoover on November 26, 2005, at 22:30:08
> > I wish I could make you feel better
>
> You do. Thank you.
>:-)
> Lar
>
> P.S. I never found just where at that petting zoo to find the butter tarts. I went and looked and did not find. Well, I did not find anyone who seemed to be from the place itself, so I could not find. Perhaps a hint?
>
>
hmm geez, I cant believe it? you did walk 10 steps forward...and then turn left at the girafe....then 40 steps to the right......and then did you make sure to turn at the porcupine? Then after you have walked another 50 steps to the left, after the porcupine you have to hop on the camels back and he will lead the way ;-)
did I mention that it is run by elves?check your babblemail :-)
(((Larry))) Glad you are feeling better
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 27, 2005, at 8:58:35
In reply to Re: Please tell me » Larry Hoover, posted by KaraS on November 25, 2005, at 23:44:42
> > it was an accident that nobody replied to
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20051120/msgs/580912.html
> > for three days.
> >
> > I'm falling apart here.
> >
> > Lar
>
>
>
> Dearest Lar,Damn tears. Just squirtin' out like that. Make it hard to see.
> Your post brought tears to my eyes.
Seems to be a virus, or something.
> I'm so sorry you're going through this but I'm glad that you're reaching out for support and that you asked again when a lot of us missed your original request for help. It's obvious that many people here care so much about you.
Beaming/bawling. What's the difference.
Kara, you're making me feel very loved right now.
> We all wish we could do something to take your pain away.
Ya.
> I don't know exactly when but this pain will be stopped. You have to believe that. Just keep telling yourself that so you can hang in there until that time. In the meantime, cry out to us as much as you need to.
>
> KaraOkay. I'll try.
I'm 48 years old, and it's hard because 40 years ago it wasn't a good idea to do that. Some lessons are hard to get right. Or something. My brain just locked up. Something real important is stuck in there.
> (a fellow INFJ)
You cast a warm shadow, Kara. It's going to be okay.
It's going to be okay.
Love,
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 27, 2005, at 9:01:41
In reply to I don't feel so alone, now, posted by Larry Hoover on November 26, 2005, at 8:50:11
or something.
I feel like there's a flow.
Where you understand one post better if you read the one before it, and so on.
or something.
Maybe I understand them better that way.
Ya.
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 27, 2005, at 9:05:30
In reply to Re: Please tell me » Larry Hoover, posted by Dinah on November 26, 2005, at 10:36:33
> Awwww, now it's my turn.
>
> I woke up feeling exceptionally sorry for myself, but your post made me smile.I like how this works. :-)
> I'll make an extra special effort to make it to Toronto, if you'll be there. :)
Well, I only live about 60 miles from there. It's kinda like near and everything.
And there's going to be friends there.
And butter tarts.Anybody wanna share a room?
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 27, 2005, at 9:12:57
In reply to Re: Please tell me » Larry Hoover, posted by alesta on November 26, 2005, at 11:47:28
> hi larry,:)
> i'm really sorry. really, really sorry...Kewl.
I hope things settle down for you. I get frazzled just hearing how complicated your world is all the time.
Peace. I wish you peace. And tranquility. I know those are the opposite of your reality, but I wish you them both.
> man, it must suck to deal with pain like that..you have my empathy....i hope you feel better...*soon*. sending you a hug, and compassion,
>
> take care, l,:-)
> amySoon. Ya, that's what I need. I need some soon. :-)
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 27, 2005, at 9:13:54
In reply to Re: Maybe you can tell...., posted by spriggy on November 26, 2005, at 22:10:32
> Sooo glad you are feeling better Lar!!
>
> ((((((hugs and prayers))))<warm glow>
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 27, 2005, at 9:15:34
In reply to Just to add to your list » Larry Hoover, posted by gardenergirl on November 26, 2005, at 23:57:39
> Just got back in town...
Glad you're home, safe.
> Gentle hugs and peaceful thoughts to you. I'm glad you feel loved, because you are much loved here.
>
> Warmly,
>
> ggThanks, dear. You're the cherry on my sundae, today. :-)
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 27, 2005, at 9:34:25
In reply to Please tell me, posted by Larry Hoover on November 24, 2005, at 7:43:06
I took over this thread. Many posts. I wanted to bask in it all. All your warm thoughts, and caring, and love, and support. I don't know that I ever in my life have had the feeling that I have done something so simply selfish. I wanted to touch every post and every poster. Me. Me an you. Me and each and every you.
If anybody posted during this morning's blitz, I'm sorry, but I didn't refresh the page, and I'll get back to you later.
If anybody thought of posting and didn't, there's still time. It's not too late. I can still be selfish some more. Wheeeee!
To all of Babble, to all the people who join together and make it happen, I express my most heartfelt gratitude. Y'all done good.
To those who answered my cry, I thank you. Sometimes, it's just that simple. Thank you, very much.
Lar
Posted by ed_uk on November 27, 2005, at 12:55:54
In reply to Re: Please tell me » ed_uk, posted by Larry Hoover on November 26, 2005, at 20:24:06
Hi Lar
>We may try Neurontin again, but a slow titration.
Could be a good idea, gabapentin was certainly excellent for your pain. Get the 100mg capsules and off you go :-)
>It seems to be my pain specialist's "special ingredient", though he usually combines it with Neurontin.
That's interesting. I've never really believed that clonazepam was analgesic, even in neuropathic pain. I've always had the impression that it achieved a reputation for being an analgesic solely because it was used as an anticonvulsant. Of course, all the common benzos are anticonvulsants ...and no one's claiming that temazepam is an analgesic!
I wonder whether this combination might help........
Gabapentin (three times a day?)
Temazepam or zopiclone at night
A low dose of nortriptyline in the morning - might not be necessary if you were on gabapentin :-)
A low dose of trimipramine at night
OxyContin every 8 hours or every 12 hours
Oxycodone IR prn
Paracetamol 1g four times a day
An NSAID prn
A laxative or combination of laxatives for constipationKind regards
Ed
Posted by alexandra_k on November 27, 2005, at 14:50:44
In reply to Re: Thank you everybody » alexandra_k, posted by Larry Hoover on November 27, 2005, at 7:39:38
> I'll be more careful not to post to a four-dimensional personality inventory thread, in future, so as to have your attention. Thanks for the heads up.
Har de har har
:-P
> Look here, missy, you just better be getting that thesis done, or there'll be consequences!Yeah, no sh*t :-(
> Hey, did they name a virtually jam-proof, easily manufactured and assembled, automatic assault rifle after you? Just wondering.Hmm.
Maybe I named me after them???(I didn't...
In fact...
I didn't know there was one)
Posted by tryagain on November 27, 2005, at 15:22:08
In reply to Okay, here's the deal, posted by Larry Hoover on November 27, 2005, at 9:34:25
> If anybody thought of posting and didn't, there's still time. It's not too late. I can still be selfish some more. Wheeeee!
>
> LarLarry: I couldn't pass on your invite: "still time to post". I have been a lurker and read many of your posts. Your info on vitamins has been very helpful. I am now taking daily vitamins and feeling better. Tomorrow, I have an appointment with my pdoc and I am going to ask about using a few of the alternative meds in addition to my current meds.
You have been so generous in sharing info and showing your support for other people. I am so glad support is coming your way.
Posted by Toph on November 27, 2005, at 15:31:36
In reply to Re: Please tell me » Toph, posted by Larry Hoover on November 27, 2005, at 7:51:09
>
> P.S. If Luke Skywalker was on his spaceship going 9/10 of the speed of light, and he fired his light saber forward, how fast would that light be travelling?
>I'm not sure but I am certain that the answer is relative. I'll guess that Al would say that light goes the same speed at all times (isn't it a constant equal to the square root of the quotient E/m)? And it would appear from somewhere else to be doppler shifted depending on whether it was coming at you or away. But I await the the correct answer from an ancient warrior of the Empire. Oh, and may the force be with you in your recovery.
Posted by lynn971 on November 27, 2005, at 18:41:20
In reply to Please tell me, posted by Larry Hoover on November 24, 2005, at 7:43:06
I am sorry. I have been away for a while. I hope that you are feeling better. I see that lots of people have replied to you now.
((((LarryHoover)))
Posted by AuntieMel on November 28, 2005, at 14:34:06
In reply to Please tell me, posted by Larry Hoover on November 24, 2005, at 7:43:06
I've been away from the computer since wednesday and don't have much time when I do get on.
Desparately trying to get a load of stuff at work done before the end of the year.
Posted by ClearSkies on November 28, 2005, at 20:05:23
In reply to Okay, here's the deal, posted by Larry Hoover on November 27, 2005, at 9:34:25
I haven't been able to post as much as I usually do this week, but I wanted to talk about...
unresolved issues.I don't know the circumstances about your block, Lar; and it seems to be the kind of situation where unless you ask the block-ee what the heck happened, you can't really figure it out. And then I get worried that by posting about it we've got the risk for yet another opportunity for a potential block. So when I wanted to be able to give you unconditional support, I could not figure out how to do it safely. I felt like a wimp for not knowing what to say, or who to say it to. How about I am grateful that you have returned, and that I hope we can continue to give each other the understanding and compassion that we all deserve?
I do know that at a critical point, the block becomes ALL about the pain. Being misunderstood, or misinterpreted, or not being able to express ourselves in exactly the way we'd like. Sometimes, we just want our voices to be heard. I think that when a block robs us of that ability, it's truly tragic. I can't imagine when rubbing salt in a wound ever did any good, but that's effectively what blocking does. You're hurting, and on top of that, you're silenced.
tender hugs,
ClearSkies
Posted by All Done on November 28, 2005, at 23:47:29
In reply to Okay, here's the deal, posted by Larry Hoover on November 27, 2005, at 9:34:25
Okay, well maybe not so much funny as dorky...but true.
For a few days now, I've been wearing a nail polish called "Nice Color, Eh?" by OPI (http://www.opi.com/Canadian2.asp). I don't understand why they didn't name it "Nice Colour, Eh?" but whatever. I digress.
When I wear this particular polish, sometimes when I glance at my nails, I think about you (for maybe obvious reasons, eh?). My point here? Next time you're feeling lonely, maybe you aren't really quite so alone. You've made a difference in the lives of a lot of people here, Larry, and I can pretty much guarantee you have some fine Babblers (and me ;) ) thinking and caring about you when you don't even know it. So, if you get to feeling lonely again, try to feel all our good thoughts. Maybe it'll help?
I am glad you're feeling better now, though. (But I'm gonna keep the polish on for a few more days just to make sure you keep feeling better :).)
Take care,
Laurie
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 29, 2005, at 16:49:23
In reply to Re: Please tell me, posted by ed_uk on November 27, 2005, at 12:55:54
> Hi Lar
>
> >We may try Neurontin again, but a slow titration.
>
> Could be a good idea, gabapentin was certainly excellent for your pain. Get the 100mg capsules and off you go :-)I've got some of those. Thing is, I couldn't find a way to dose that managed the pain, and still let me sleep, let alone the perceptual hallucinations. I'm just one sensitive guy.
> >It seems to be my pain specialist's "special ingredient", though he usually combines it with Neurontin.
>
> That's interesting. I've never really believed that clonazepam was analgesic, even in neuropathic pain. I've always had the impression that it achieved a reputation for being an analgesic solely because it was used as an anticonvulsant. Of course, all the common benzos are anticonvulsants ...and no one's claiming that temazepam is an analgesic!Once you get into polypharmacy, who knows? I honestly noticed nothing, nada, zero, from the clonazepam.
> I wonder whether this combination might help........
>
> Gabapentin (three times a day?)I could only manage twice, before. Like t.i.d. schedule, but skipping the third.
> Temazepam or zopiclone at night
30 mg temazepam didn't overcome the gabapentin.....although it could well be a tolerance issue. I was started at 1200 mg/day.
Zopiclone didn't work. If I woke up during the night, that was it.
> A low dose of nortriptyline in the morning - might not be necessary if you were on gabapentin :-)
I have been amazed to discover just how important the nortriptyline has been in limiting my pain. Unfortunately, it too has profound side effects. I'm taking 25 mg just now, a.m. dose. 50 or 75 work better, but I really dislike this drug.
> A low dose of trimipramine at night
They took me off that. Can't remember when.
> OxyContin every 8 hours or every 12 hours
> Oxycodone IR prnThat seems to be a given, so far.
> Paracetamol 1g four times a day
> An NSAID prnTried Vioxx just lately. Didn't seem to matter. I haven't used acetominophen/paracetamol except with the Percocet.....I'm not on the oxycodone IR any more. Somehow, it just got changed back, and I didn't argue the point.
> A laxative or combination of laxatives for constipation
One of my biggest complaints. Pass the prunes?
> Kind regards
>
> EdI really appreciate the amount of thought you put into this.
Thanks,
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 29, 2005, at 16:51:35
In reply to Re: Thank you everybody » Larry Hoover, posted by alexandra_k on November 27, 2005, at 14:50:44
> > Hey, did they name a virtually jam-proof, easily manufactured and assembled, automatic assault rifle after you? Just wondering.
>
> Hmm.
> Maybe I named me after them???
>
> (I didn't...
> In fact...
> I didn't know there was one)The AK-47 is a superbly engineered weapon.
Nothing personal implied by the train of thought. I was letting myself free associate.....
Now, back to that thesis, missy! March!
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 29, 2005, at 16:56:00
In reply to Re: Okay, here's the deal, posted by tryagain on November 27, 2005, at 15:22:08
> > If anybody thought of posting and didn't, there's still time. It's not too late. I can still be selfish some more. Wheeeee!
> >
> > Lar
>
> Larry: I couldn't pass on your invite: "still time to post".Thank you, so very much.
> I have been a lurker and read many of your posts.
Welcome to posting world. And you unlurked for me! Awww, that is so sweet. And thank you for reading all that stuff I posted.
> Your info on vitamins has been very helpful. I am now taking daily vitamins and feeling better. Tomorrow, I have an appointment with my pdoc and I am going to ask about using a few of the alternative meds in addition to my current meds.
So, how did it go? Babblemail me, if you'd like.
> You have been so generous in sharing info and showing your support for other people. I am so glad support is coming your way.Thank you. I won't forget to 'tryagain'.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 29, 2005, at 17:02:23
In reply to Re: Please tell me » Larry Hoover, posted by Toph on November 27, 2005, at 15:31:36
> >
> > P.S. If Luke Skywalker was on his spaceship going 9/10 of the speed of light, and he fired his light saber forward, how fast would that light be travelling?
> >
>
> I'm not sure but I am certain that the answer is relative. I'll guess that Al would say that light goes the same speed at all times (isn't it a constant equal to the square root of the quotient E/m)?Ahhhh, grasshopper, you have nailed it. The speed of light is constant. In order for that to be the case, space/time becomes relative. They bend in whatever way is required, in order to keep c constant.
> And it would appear from somewhere else to be doppler shifted depending on whether it was coming at you or away.
A different effect entirely. That is frequency shifting.
> But I await the the correct answer from an ancient warrior of the Empire. Oh, and may the force be with you in your recovery.
It appears that the Force grows stronger, with every passing post to this thread.
Humbly yours,
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 29, 2005, at 17:03:05
In reply to Re: Please tell me, posted by lynn971 on November 27, 2005, at 18:41:20
> I am sorry. I have been away for a while. I hope that you are feeling better. I see that lots of people have replied to you now.
>
>
> ((((LarryHoover)))Thank you. And don't forget, a hug goes both ways.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 29, 2005, at 17:03:55
In reply to Re: Oohh, I'm really sorry » Larry Hoover, posted by AuntieMel on November 28, 2005, at 14:34:06
Thanks, Mel.
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 29, 2005, at 17:15:18
In reply to Unresolved. » Larry Hoover, posted by ClearSkies on November 28, 2005, at 20:05:23
> So when I wanted to be able to give you unconditional support, I could not figure out how to do it safely. I felt like a wimp for not knowing what to say, or who to say it to.
Collateral victim. I'm sorry you felt disempowered.
> How about I am grateful that you have returned, and that I hope we can continue to give each other the understanding and compassion that we all deserve?
Yes, let us do that. Let it be resolved that understanding and compassion have reign over this place.
> I do know that at a critical point, the block becomes ALL about the pain.
Powerlessness of one party is not conducive to mutual growth.
> Being misunderstood, or misinterpreted, or not being able to express ourselves in exactly the way we'd like. Sometimes, we just want our voices to be heard. I think that when a block robs us of that ability, it's truly tragic.
Hear! Hear!
> I can't imagine when rubbing salt in a wound ever did any good, but that's effectively what blocking does. You're hurting, and on top of that, you're silenced.
The verdict comes before the trial.
My wound will never heal.
> tender hugs,
> ClearSkiesThank you for your eloquence, your heart, and your hug.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 29, 2005, at 17:22:36
In reply to Re: Funny story... » Larry Hoover, posted by All Done on November 28, 2005, at 23:47:29
> Okay, well maybe not so much funny as dorky...but true.
>
> For a few days now, I've been wearing a nail polish called "Nice Color, Eh?" by OPI (http://www.opi.com/Canadian2.asp). I don't understand why they didn't name it "Nice Colour, Eh?" but whatever. I digress.You're absolutely right, though.
> When I wear this particular polish, sometimes when I glance at my nails, I think about you (for maybe obvious reasons, eh?).I'm sure glad we're not talking about toilet paper.
> My point here? Next time you're feeling lonely, maybe you aren't really quite so alone. You've made a difference in the lives of a lot of people here, Larry, and I can pretty much guarantee you have some fine Babblers (and me ;) ) thinking and caring about you when you don't even know it.
Okay. I think I can remember that.
> So, if you get to feeling lonely again, try to feel all our good thoughts. Maybe it'll help?
I do hope it will. There's something about being heard, about having a witness, though. Maybe it won't get so bad.
I did learn from this. I did feel you (collectively) lifting me from the place to which I had fallen.
> I am glad you're feeling better now, though. (But I'm gonna keep the polish on for a few more days just to make sure you keep feeling better :).)
Good idea.
> Take care,
> LaurieThank you, honey.
Lar
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