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Posted by verne on May 24, 2006, at 2:39:24
When I said the unspeakable (or wrote it) I was freed just enough to love myself, hate myself, sell my soul, or surrender.
I'm such a lost cause. I'm simply, not quite, out of control. Perhaps, it's more complicated.
Hey, you guys sashay into a Toronto Babble Gathering. Many of us can't make it across town, let alone to Toronto. I can barely make it out of my yard.
Many of your *travelers*, would like to, or seem to *speak* for us: yet we can't make the trip, share hugs or buttertarts - we can't even make it across town. We are not travelers like you.
I can't imagine that I'm in the only one in this much paralyzing emotional pain.
Good Luck and All with REAL TORONTO. Some of us couldn't make the trip and need to make do with the less than real message board.
If we can't get a hug, we'll take a block.
love verne
Posted by Larry Hoover on May 24, 2006, at 6:34:30
In reply to SASHAYING IN REAL TORONTO, posted by verne on May 24, 2006, at 2:39:24
> Good Luck and All with REAL TORONTO. Some of us couldn't make the trip and need to make do with the less than real message board.
>
> If we can't get a hug, we'll take a block.
>
> love verneWell, I'm loving you back, buddy. Here's a CyBearHug® from Lar....
{{{{{{{{{{{{verne}}}}}}}}}}}Verne, last year, I had the first Babble gathering in my sights. A ten-hour drive. That was doable. That's what I kept telling myself.
I wasn't even close to doing it. I couldn't have gone to Toronto that year, let alone Chicago. I couldn't have managed one day, let alone four in a row.
So, just lettin' ya know, I hear you. Loud and clear.
But it's the having those targets, even those that are unreachable, that push us on. I hear your grief over the lost opportunity. Look forward, and you'll see another opportunity. Look forward from that one, again, and you'll find yet another.
When I described the workshop, I made a special point of acknowledging those Babblers not in attendance. There were more people in that room than there were bodies. You were in my heart, and in my voice, when I spoke of Babble. And I don't think I'd be stretching it to think that other Babblers physically there weren't doing the exact same thing I was doing. I was calling on my experiences with you, to inform my speech to them.
I'm sorry your situation is so difficult. Just three months ago, I was housebound. If the gathering had been then, I would have missed it, too. Maybe you can find someone, a babbler perhaps, who could partner up with you? If the location et al was suitable?
I missed you, verne. No sh*t.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on May 24, 2006, at 7:35:38
In reply to SASHAYING IN REAL TORONTO, posted by verne on May 24, 2006, at 2:39:24
Verne, I would consider such a thing, by the way. Roadtrip plus Babblefest? Always things to do, on the road. Lots of time to think about stuff.
Lar
Posted by pseudoname on May 24, 2006, at 16:19:10
In reply to SASHAYING IN REAL TORONTO, posted by verne on May 24, 2006, at 2:39:24
Hey, Verne,
I'm *really* glad you posted. From my own reactions & feelings to situations like this, I'm sure you're far from alone in some of those feelings.
I wish you had been there.
Posted by Phillipa on May 24, 2006, at 21:22:17
In reply to Re: Toronto » verne, posted by pseudoname on May 24, 2006, at 16:19:10
I would have been terrified. Love Phillipa
Posted by fallsfall on May 25, 2006, at 7:29:52
In reply to Re: Toronto, posted by Phillipa on May 24, 2006, at 21:22:17
Yes, but we help each other. When one of us was having a "problem" (lost map, aching feet, inability to decide what to eat), the others helped out. And without judgement.
It was beautiful.
Posted by pseudoname on May 25, 2006, at 7:52:48
In reply to Re: Toronto » Phillipa, posted by fallsfall on May 25, 2006, at 7:29:52
> When one of us was having a "problem"…, the others helped out. And without judgement.
>
> It was beautiful.It was. I described in an email that things like crying sessions and “going to pieces” were regarded just like sneezes. People were supportive and it was all so open & normal.
I kept thinking how wonderful it would be if our society could have such attitudes: just let someone have “a problem” and offer them help like you'd offer a tissue if they were sneezing.
Posted by 10derHeart on May 25, 2006, at 21:25:54
In reply to Toronto support, posted by pseudoname on May 25, 2006, at 7:52:48
Exacty what you and Falls said. Exactly.
No one pressured me to do anything. IRL, even my dearest and most well-meaning friends do it. And they really, really mean no harm, because they do care about me. But, they don't really *get* a lot of psychological stuff sometimes. They think they are helping, but actually it's triggering a lot of the time to me. Triggers negative thoughts like, "oh great, not only am I a freak and a misfit for not wanting to (____FILL IN BLANK___), but now I'm probably inconsiderate and ungrateful for not accepting their *encouragement* to step outside my comfort zone...." Then I'll withdraw, get defensive and they'll look away and be all uncomfortable... :-(
Toronto never felt like that :-)
Posted by susan47 on May 28, 2006, at 13:38:52
In reply to Re: SASHAYING IN REAL TORONTO » verne, posted by Larry Hoover on May 24, 2006, at 6:34:30
> > Good Luck and All with REAL TORONTO. Some of us couldn't make the trip and need to make do with the less than real message board.
> >
> > If we can't get a hug, we'll take a block.
> >
> > love verne
>
> Well, I'm loving you back, buddy. Here's a CyBearHug® from Lar....
> {{{{{{{{{{{{verne}}}}}}}}}}}
>
> Verne, last year, I had the first Babble gathering in my sights. A ten-hour drive. That was doable. That's what I kept telling myself.
>
> I wasn't even close to doing it. I couldn't have gone to Toronto that year, let alone Chicago. I couldn't have managed one day, let alone four in a row.
>
> So, just lettin' ya know, I hear you. Loud and clear.
-Hey, guys? excuse me .. but I know what you mean too. So many can understand, so incredibly many people .. too many ... but we give each other energy, it's the Energy we reach out to each other for and as we get it we can pass it around, we can give more and more because it comes around, you know what they say and it's true ...Larry, you have such a beautiful, intense voice, you just made me want to cry what you said was so nice and what you felt was so good and how you told us .. better than a good movie because this is IRL .. wow you people are really incredible. ...
>
> But it's the having those targets, even those that are unreachable, that push us on. I hear your grief over the lost opportunity. Look forward, and you'll see another opportunity. Look forward from that one, again, and you'll find yet another.
>
> When I described the workshop, I made a special point of acknowledging those Babblers not in attendance. There were more people in that room than there were bodies. You were in my heart, and in my voice, when I spoke of Babble. And I don't think I'd be stretching it to think that other Babblers physically there weren't doing the exact same thing I was doing. I was calling on my experiences with you, to inform my speech to them.
>
> I'm sorry your situation is so difficult. Just three months ago, I was housebound. If the gathering had been then, I would have missed it, too. Maybe you can find someone, a babbler perhaps, who could partner up with you? If the location et al was suitable?
>
> I missed you, verne. No sh*t.
>
> Lar
- You add value to our lives, verne, lar', all you guys, you added an incredible amount of value to mine ....
(looking down, very subdued)
((Grateful))
((((Babblers))))Hey. Endorphins are a wonderful thing :)
>
>
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