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Posted by dbc on October 28, 2006, at 13:04:13
In reply to Anti-psychiatry theory of iatrogenesis, posted by clint878 on October 27, 2006, at 10:53:09
> Most people are aware of people who support the "anti-psychiatry" movement, which claims that there are no mental illnesses and that society marginalizes people who don't act the way others do.
>Im not aware of anyone outside of scientology with any sort of degree or respect in intellectual/scientific circles that supports a anti-psychiatry movement.
Scientology belives that mental illness is caused by the ghosts of people who were sacrificed into volcanos a million years ago by an intergalactic space ruler. Need i say more?
(think im joking? search google for the word xenu)
Posted by Phillipa on October 28, 2006, at 13:04:13
In reply to Re: Anti-psychiatry theory of iatrogenesis, posted by dbc on October 27, 2006, at 11:42:05
I'm not antipsychiatry but it reminds me of the people that start with one med and end on so many and then they are worse then when they started. I used to see this when I was able to work in a hospital. Love Phillipa
Posted by Jost on October 28, 2006, at 13:04:13
In reply to Anti-psychiatry theory of iatrogenesis, posted by clint878 on October 27, 2006, at 10:53:09
There are others in the mental health and general community who could be called anti-psychiatrict, besides the scientologists.
Some, esp. now that biological psychiatry is gaining legitimacy, consider this a fringe movement. However, it has historical roots outside scientology, for example, with Dada-- which may not count, in a sense-- but more importantly, with the movements of the 60s. Psychiatrists and psychologists such as RD Laing, Silvio Arieti, and Thomas Szasz among others, theorized that emotional problems were caused by bad or destructive parenting, or just were problems in living, as opposed to 'illnesses" (eg Szasz).
How widespread this idea is in the general public, I'm not sure. However, wikipedia says this:
"Critics of psychiatry generally do not dispute the notion that some people have emotional or psychological problems, or that some psychotherapies do not work for a given problem. They do usually disagree with psychiatry on the source of these problems; the appropriateness of characterizing these problems as illness; and on what the proper management options are. For instance, a primary concern of anti-psychiatry is that an individual's degree of adherence to communally, or majority, held values may be used to determine that person's level of mental health. "
Writers such as Peter Breggin still argue that ADs and other drugs used to treat mental disorders are just like street drugs-- useless, addictive, and bad for you.
I don't agree-- but I also think the approach is not just one of people with weird prejudices and odd ideologies.
Jost
Posted by dbc on October 28, 2006, at 13:04:13
In reply to Re: Anti-psychiatry theory of iatrogenesis, posted by Jost on October 27, 2006, at 13:54:18
So they dont belive in neurochemicals? How do they explain substance abuse then? How do they explain...say heroin withdrawl?
This certainly seems like a strange ideology to me. Thats like waking up one day and claiming physics doesnt exist.
Posted by mike lynch on October 28, 2006, at 13:04:13
In reply to Re: Anti-psychiatry theory of iatrogenesis, posted by Jost on October 27, 2006, at 13:54:18
yes, it's all to familiar and does happen.
Posted by yxibow on October 28, 2006, at 13:04:13
In reply to Re: Anti-psychiatry theory of iatrogenesis, posted by dbc on October 27, 2006, at 14:08:55
> So they dont belive in neurochemicals? How do they explain substance abuse then? How do they explain...say heroin withdrawl?
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> This certainly seems like a strange ideology to me. Thats like waking up one day and claiming physics doesnt exist.There are probably Scientologists lurking here. No kidding.
And you mention heroin withdrawal... they have their own cover organization called Narconon. It leads people into Scientology and money draining and the quack ideology of a failed science fiction writer we all are familiar with, L. Ron Hubbard, who after you fork over cash you eventually learn about some secret disguised science fiction about "Xenu" as well as their fake non medical device E-Meters.
They have other cover organizations
freedommag.org
www.cchr.org (innocently sounding Citizens Commission on Human Rights)Major front organization ABLE:
able.org (Association for Better Living and Education), encompasses Narconon and a fakery of a children's learning program "Applied Scholastics" as well as "Criminon."
There have been people killed by Scientology because they whisk them away from medication and do their own nonsense.
The entire town of Clearwater, FL is infiltrated at the governance level by Scientology.
L. Ron Hubbard Way was dedicated in Los Angeles for what reason I don't know except lots of Hollywood money and their grip on some of the starlets and it scarily runs near the Kaiser Hospital and Childrens' Hospital complex.
Now, there may be a response from someone on here who is a Scientologist. I wouldn't doubt it. The IRS tried to declassify them as a religion and tried to get back taxes years ago. Failed. A few European countries have forced them out, I think Germany. They still prevail in parts of Western Europe as well as this continent.
I'll just leave it at that. There is no comments here meant to hurt anyone who forks over a lot of money to Scientology (c), (tm), whatever. I truly wish their anti-psychiatry beliefs could be erased as a separation of church and state if they want to call themselves a church. Otherwise, they're really just a successful moneymaking organization. Guards stand eerily near their buildings in Hollywood if you are a tourist and you walk down by one of their complexes.
Not planning on seeing any new Tom Cruise movies any time soon. "Eating The Placenta" coming to a theatre near you. (This is a humour statement only.) As I say, one has to be careful what one says. They have lawyers -- yes, a church with lawyers, lots of lawyers and ex members argue on the net constantly.)
That about sums the group and its members up for regarding anti-psychiatry.
So, if any deputies or Dr Bob feels like I need to rephrase things, I think I have made clear that if you want to believe in it, you can, but it is a generally known belief held by a large majority that money eventually drains out of your account to their church.
-- Jay
Posted by zazenducky on October 28, 2006, at 13:35:53
In reply to Re: Anti-psychiatry theory of iatrogenesis » dbc, posted by yxibow on October 28, 2006, at 1:48:18
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/25/48hours/main2124568.shtml
This sounds like an interesting story.
I don't think scientology and the anti-psychiatry movement are synonymous though.
Posted by Phillipa on October 28, 2006, at 20:03:03
In reply to Scientologist/psychiatry on TV tonight, posted by zazenducky on October 28, 2006, at 13:35:53
Thanks my TV is recording it so I can watch it. Love Phillipa
Posted by yxibow on October 28, 2006, at 21:10:02
In reply to Scientologist/psychiatry on TV tonight, posted by zazenducky on October 28, 2006, at 13:35:53
> http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/25/48hours/main2124568.shtml
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> This sounds like an interesting story.
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> I don't think scientology and the anti-psychiatry movement are synonymous though.No, but they are big supporters of it and it pains me to see actors shamelessly supporting the concept of dumping all psychiatric medication.
At the same point, there are some a little over the cliff (in my opinion, one is entitled to their beliefs even if they're not medically sound...) concepts that one hears on late night talk or infomercials that I heard recently blaming everything on vitamin imbalances and the usual fluoride-in-the-water ideology of dump all the medications. It kind of got me riled, I tuned away.
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