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Posted by Deneb on October 13, 2009, at 11:33:58
Please help me. I'm scared. Anyone else scared?
Posted by Dinah on October 13, 2009, at 16:19:05
In reply to I'm scared of H1N1 flu, posted by Deneb on October 13, 2009, at 11:33:58
It's the same as any other flu, isn't it? They quit testing for it around here, and told everyone who had the flu in August (or was it September) that that was probably what they had and to treat it like any other flu.
Posted by seldomseen on October 14, 2009, at 6:13:21
In reply to I'm scared of H1N1 flu, posted by Deneb on October 13, 2009, at 11:33:58
It appears as though the majority of the cases are no worse than the seasonal flu. In fact, in some people it is quite mild. Those people with underlying health problems tend to experience more severe symptoms than those that are healthy, but that is true of the seasonal flu as well. H1N1 can be treated with tamiflu.
We can dramatically cut our changes of getting either the seasonal or H1N1 flu by washing our hands, avoid touching our eyes, nose or mouth, staying away from sick people etc...
Yes, there is a new flu strain out there, and, yes it is getting a lot of press, but I don't think it going to be the 1918 flu pandemic.
I think it's going to be alright.
Seldom.
Posted by Deneb on October 14, 2009, at 9:33:34
In reply to Re: I'm scared of H1N1 flu, posted by Dinah on October 13, 2009, at 16:19:05
I read some stories about people dying from it or getting really really sick and I got scared.
We don't have the vaccine yet until sometime in Nov.
Posted by Deneb on October 14, 2009, at 9:34:44
In reply to Re: I'm scared of H1N1 flu, posted by seldomseen on October 14, 2009, at 6:13:21
I sanitize my hands all the time now. I hope that prevents me from getting sick. Lots of people cough in class.
Posted by Phillipa on October 14, 2009, at 10:47:02
In reply to Re: I'm scared of H1N1 flu » seldomseen, posted by Deneb on October 14, 2009, at 9:34:44
Lots of it around here seems a the college in Davidson talked to student there. They take the student to hospital isolate til fever down and send back to dorm. Latest I read lasts about a week. Phillipa
Posted by Kath on October 14, 2009, at 13:31:28
In reply to Re: I'm scared of H1N1 flu » seldomseen, posted by Deneb on October 14, 2009, at 9:34:44
You can get homeopathic flu prevention medicine Deneb. It's available now.
I don't like taking flu shots. I don't trust how they make vaccines. I believe that some even have mercury in them & some people believe that Autism is linked with children receiving 'shots'.
Regarding hand sanitizing, there are doctors who are against all the 'anti-bacterial' products, believing that even stronger bacteria will result from these products being used on a large scale. They say a good thorough wash with soap is just fine.
I think people with existing health problems are more at risk.
As a result of reading a couple of studies that a friend sent to me, the symptoms I'm going to be aware of this winter are: fever and respiratory symptoms.....easy for me, because if I get sick, I usually don't get either of those symptoms.
Even hearing the word, pandemic is scarey to me, so I am choosing not to read any more about it, not to dwell on it, etc. & to know that if I'm beginning to feel sick, I'll take huge doses of Vitamin C & the homeopathic flu medicine that usually gets me feeling better after just one dose!
Try not to worry Deneb. I truly think it's going to be okay. One of the reports even alluded to general over-catastrophising regarding this flu. (They didn't use that exact word lol)
hugs, Kath
Posted by emme on October 14, 2009, at 15:46:14
In reply to Re: I'm scared of H1N1 flu » Deneb, posted by Kath on October 14, 2009, at 13:31:28
Hi Kath,
> I don't like taking flu shots. I don't trust how they make vaccines. I believe that some even have mercury in them & some people believe that Autism is linked with children receiving 'shots'.Larry Hoover's thoughtful analysis of this subject might put your mind to ease:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20090921/msgs/918934.html
> Regarding hand sanitizing, there are doctors who are against all the 'anti-bacterial' products, believing that even stronger bacteria will result from these products being used on a large scale. They say a good thorough wash with soap is just fine.
My microbial ecology professor in grad school expressed that concern. As far as I know, the jury's still out on it. With respect to hand washing, an important thing is washing your hands long enough - most people don't lather up for the full 20 seconds you need for a proper wash.
emme
Posted by Deneb on October 14, 2009, at 17:27:25
In reply to Re: I'm scared of H1N1 flu » Deneb, posted by Kath on October 14, 2009, at 13:31:28
I don't believe in homeopathic medicine.
I am definitely getting the flu shot. I believe the benefits of the vaccine far outweigh the risks. Not all natural things are harmless, just as not all man-made things are harmful.
My medicinal chem prof told us that antibiotics, vaccines and painkillers (so surgery can be done) have increased our lifespans by a lot. The two big things being antibiotics and vaccines. Vaccines have saved countless lives. If you don't believe me just look in the history books on how people died back then compared to now.
Seeing as how I get the same amount of mercury from eating a can of tuna as is in a vaccine, I don't see how anyone should worry about vaccines.
Posted by Phillipa on October 14, 2009, at 20:10:18
In reply to Re: I'm scared of H1N1 flu, posted by Deneb on October 14, 2009, at 17:27:25
Might want to read Seldom's comment that the scientists her included are not getting the vaccine not enough testing. It's rampant here and only lasts a week. Hand sanitizers when soap and water not availble. Phillipa
Posted by Phillipa on October 14, 2009, at 20:20:55
In reply to Re: I'm scared of H1N1 flu » Deneb, posted by Kath on October 14, 2009, at 13:31:28
Deneb not editing as usually do here's todays latest via my newsletter. Ignore beginning. Love Phillipa
Most Hospitalized H1N1 Patients Have Underlying Conditions
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Click Here for Product Infosites Information from Industry. October 13, 2009 More than half of 1400 adults hospitalized with influenza A (H1N1) have had underlying medical conditions, including asthma and other chronic lung diseases, chronic heart disease, and immunosuppressive disorders, an official from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said today.In addition, of more than 500 patients younger than 18 years hospitalized with H1N1 infection, most already had another illness such as asthma, lung disease, neurologic and neuromuscular disorders, and sickle cell disease and other blood disorders, said Anne Schuchat, MD, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases at the CDC, during a press conference.
The data reflect cases reported from April through August to the agency's Emerging Infections Program network in a group of 10 states and expand on an initial CDC study of 272 patients hospitalized with the virus. Dr. Schuchat said the findings from the larger patient sample mirror those from the first batch.
Of the hospitalized adult patients, 26% had asthma, 10% had diabetes, 8% had other lung diseases, and 7.6% had immunosuppressive disorders. Another 6.1% were pregnant women. (No percentage was cited for chronic heart disease.) Dr. Schuchat noted that the underlying illnesses reported were those that the CDC had identified as risk factors that justified vaccinating such patients before others.
More than 45% of adults hospitalized with the virus had no underlying condition that the CDC considers a risk factor, said Dr. Schuchat, adding that this figure did not take into account whether these patients were obese or not. According to the CDC, obesity has emerged as an underlying medical condition in some hospitalized H1N1 patients, although its importance as a contributing factor to complications is unknown.
Immune System Changes Help Put Pregnant Women at Risk
Dr. Schuchat said the preliminary analysis of the 1400 adults and 500-plus children hospitalized with H1N1 influenza infection did not contain a breakdown by sex. These data take on greater significance in light of a study reported by Medscape Infectious Diseases and published October 12 in the Journal of the American Medical Association of 168 critically ill Canadians who were hospitalized with confirmed or probable cases of H1N1 infection. Of these patients, 67.3% were women.
Dr. Schuchat explained why the H1N1 virus is taking a disproportionately heavy toll on pregnant women: A woman's immune system changes during pregnancy to prevent an immune reaction against the fetus, she explained. "The risk of infections can be greater.
"The other reason is mechanical. As the womb gets larger, with the baby growing, there can be pressing on the airways and a restrictive lung disease. So it's harder to take a deep breath, and it's harder to fight off a lung infection, especially in the later stages of pregnancy," Dr. Schuchat said.
Half of Available H1N1 Vaccine Doses Now Are Injectable Variety
While stressing the importance of vaccinations for pregnant women, Dr. Schuchat noted that the first H1N1 vaccines to reach the public were the intranasal version with live but weak viral material that is not recommended for these women. The CDC recommends that pregnant women receive the injectable form of the vaccine with the inactivated virus.
As of yesterday, Dr. Schuchat said, vaccine manufacturers had 9.8 million doses of H1N1 vaccine available for state and local public health agencies to order, with these agencies having requested 5.8 million doses. Of the 9.8 million doses, half were injectable. Dr. Schuchat said these injectable doses should start reaching vaccine dispensers later this week, although they will not be available on a widespread basis until the end of October.
Meanwhile, some 77 million doses of seasonal influenza vaccine have been distributed, she said. Acknowledging regional shortages, she said more doses would reach the public in November and noted that most influenza cases now involve the H1N1 strain as opposed to the seasonal strain.
"The main message I have is to be patient," said Dr. Schuchat. "We think there's time to be vaccinated against seasonal flu, even if vaccine isn't available until November or December. We think it will be just fine to be vaccinated then."
Dr. Schuchat also reported that the CDC had received reports of 5 more children dying from H1N1 influenza, bringing the total since April to 81.
Posted by seldomseen on October 15, 2009, at 6:00:09
In reply to Re: I'm scared of H1N1 flu » Deneb, posted by Phillipa on October 14, 2009, at 20:10:18
Thank you for referring to my post Phillipa. Could you post the actual link in the future however?
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20091001/msgs/919381.html
Deneb, when considering the vaccine, I think you should, as we did, seriously consider the risk/benefit ratio.
It was pretty straightforward for me as I am in a low risk group and it's easy for me to opt out.
however, your risk/benefit may be different.
Seldom.
Posted by Kath on October 15, 2009, at 19:19:40
In reply to Re: I'm scared of H1N1 flu, posted by Deneb on October 14, 2009, at 17:27:25
> I don't believe in homeopathic medicine.
Hi Deneb - I realize that not everyone does. It's worked for our family for years, but each to their own. I'm thankful that we have the freedom to to learn about things, discuss things & make our decisions.
> Not all natural things are harmless, just as not all man-made things are harmful.We certainly agree on those points.
:-) Kath
Posted by Phillipa on October 15, 2009, at 20:48:31
In reply to Re: I'm scared of H1N1 flu - Deneb + Phillipa, posted by seldomseen on October 15, 2009, at 6:00:09
Seriously never thought to do that will do in future. Phillipa
Posted by manic666 on October 17, 2009, at 14:51:21
In reply to Re: I'm scared of H1N1 flu, posted by Kath on October 15, 2009, at 19:19:40
do you no in england ,no one gives a sh*t about flu , peoples had it an not even known , more people have been worse off after the vacine reation than the flying pig flu. its heading into the cold an flu season in england wet an miserable for 3 month,s. An old people drop like fly,s other than that where jumping for joy
Posted by Kath on October 19, 2009, at 22:43:52
In reply to Re: I'm scared of H1N1 flu, posted by manic666 on October 17, 2009, at 14:51:21
I think a positive frame of mind & good basic sensible self-care are the very best preventative. Possibly the less thought given to it, the better.
K
Posted by Phillipa on October 20, 2009, at 19:39:10
In reply to Re: I'm scared of H1N1 flu » manic666, posted by Kath on October 19, 2009, at 22:43:52
That's what I'm doing freaking out about too many others things. One more sorry can't handle. Love Phillipa
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