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Posted by alexandra_k on July 22, 2020, at 0:37:44
by the way.
not if you have a choice.
it's not worth it.
for example, if you look at a degree program and you go 'wow, it's a 3 year degree rather than a 4 year degree that will save me 1 whole year in fees. also it's cheap cheapity cheap cheap much cheaper than a degree in australia or canada or the uk or the us...'
but then you have to factor in the fact that they won't actually give you the degree until 6 or so years have passed... if at all... they won't grade things according to international standards... they will mix up your grades for their own purposes... typically so you get 'only just enough' to do whatever programme of study with them they think you should do (and not quite enough to go elsewhere)...
and then the legal fees. to hire a lawyer to take them to court to make them give you the degree you earned...
it's just not worth trying to do business with us.
many international studnets cut their losses and split / pull out.
our universities in new zealand think, somehow, it makes them better. that the treat their students like complete and utter garbage. that they don't respect their intellectual property. that they treat them as intellectually handicapped infants.
while the plummet in the overseas rankings as overseas academics get sick and f*ck*ng tired of them refusing to base outcomes of examination on reports of examiners. refusing to get quality reports back in a timely fashion when commissioned for examination. holding things up and slowing things down unnecessarily so they can write the student out and replace the studnets work with their own thoughts and ideas that they don't get written up and out to journals... instead giving their work to studnets and getting it out to academia in that way... as the studnets life work that they have approved of...
f*ck*ng farce
Posted by alexandra_k on July 22, 2020, at 0:53:46
In reply to don't do business with new zealand, posted by alexandra_k on July 22, 2020, at 0:37:44
I mean... In an Honors year I did 4 year-long courses. I was supposed to write one 5,000 word essay per semester for each course -- or I could choose to write one 10,000 words essay for the entire course (so 40,000 words for one academic years work) that was sent to external examiners for the start of the examination period and where my grades were back and confirmed as done by the end of that year along with all the undergraduates.
For 120 points of full time study.
So a 120 point research year is up to 50,000 words done in one year. There should be no problem at all in treating it like 4 or 5 chapters of 10,000 words each. A series of essays, if you like. With some linking bits to tie everything together. I mean to say that writing 50,000 words in that timeframe is just as do-able as writing 40,000 words is, for an honors year.
And Honors got to be examined externally, no problem. THe examiners examined it and put a grade on it. Within the usual or normal grading time. No problem.
So when a student submits a 50,000 word thesis there really is no reason for the entire world to grind to a halt while the supervisor has a f*ck*ng tantrum that the student isn't done until she says the studnet is done!
And the examiners write reports... ANd the most likely outcome, for a student who worked pretty hard, after the student has demonstrated capability in the Honors year, even, is that the thesis is to be accepted -- subject to some changes.
That is because: There always will be some typographical errors. Publications are not delayed until there are none. I hardly ever read a book without finding at least one. Also... Everybody likes to see themselves. The examiners will suggest at least one (and likely lots) of substantive changes because they want to see the final hardcopy and go 'that part is the part that is there because of me! I did that!'.
So you write the examiners into the thesis and there you go. It's done.
It's not that big of a deal.
It's not supposed to be that big of a deal.
120 points of work done in 1 year of study.
So why is it that 3 years later aparently I have to get the courts ot make them give me the Degree because otherwise they simply won't.
?
Corruption.
There's no other reason why.
Do not do business with the University of Waikato. They do not give out the scholarship monies they advertise. They are collecting your research proposals only. There is no list of people who received the scholarships because there are no recipients.
They also do not give out graduate research degrees. Not until they think the supervisors / externals have written something for the student (and taken so long about doing it) that the whole academic community of the world will think the studnet is intellectually handicapped that they were not capable of producing 360 points of work in less than about 10 years.
They don't have research capability.
Posted by alexandra_k on July 22, 2020, at 1:02:52
In reply to Re: don't do business with new zealand, posted by alexandra_k on July 22, 2020, at 0:53:46
The other Universities aren't really very much better.
Apparently there is no law that says that if the studnet has submitted a thesis for examination then the Univeristy must send it out for examination in a timely fashion.
So, in other words, there is no law to prevent the University simply refusing to send it out.
Do the Universities have to give the examiners reports to the student as evidence for the outcome of examination they deliver?
No.
In other words: There really isn't anything to prevent the Univerities from saying:
You have ONE MONTH to comply with demands of this letter to re-enrol for 6 months minimum and pay associated fees otherwise you will never qualify to complete your qualification.
Why would anybody in their right mind sign up for that Degree?
Why would you agree to do 3 years work for them -- when they won't pass your work on to examiners, and when if the examiners say it's good enough to be signed off (you know, once the student has written this and that substantive change that each examiner wants to see as a bit of themself) the Univeristy wants to get more money and see at least another 6 monthsm of themself...
There can be a right tug of war with the University saying the studnet should do this and that and the next thing... And the examiners telling the student to not do all those things. Back and forwards. Round and round. Taking it out. Writing that in. Taking it out.
NOt done until they say you are done!
10 years...
Where is the PhD
?
They think they are clever.
But they aren't. They are corrupt.
They are incapable of producing their own work, most often, and taking their own inability to produce out on their student. Trying ot create a studne just like them 'see see see see what it's like! see why i don't produce anything! see why you won't produce anything too! just like me! another me! i'm vindicated! i never produced anything after the academic community produced my thesis for me that i wrote to get my job making sure nobody else will write their own thesis either! academic victory!'
it's all just a grubbity grub grub to be VC. To makes ure that no research is done. Not on your watch.
Posted by alexandra_k on July 22, 2020, at 1:06:36
In reply to Re: don't do business with new zealand, posted by alexandra_k on July 22, 2020, at 1:02:52
The answer is:
Because they paid you. Because you got a scholarship (because you got the money they said they would pay you) -- otherwise you left.
So they pay you to work for 3 years.
Then the money stops.
So you go 'awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww no more money. I'll have to go home and live with my parents.'
So they find enough teaching work for you to stay.
But at the ANU the Philosophy Program ended up getting really very grubbity grub grubby with seeing it as something of a trophy prize for certain researchers with repect to how long they could get the student to continue working for the supervisor once the student had left.
One supervisor, in particular. He would basically gloat about how x student had been living at home with his parents for a year making changes to his thesis after his scholarship ran out...
Tis a nasty business.
Posted by alexandra_k on July 22, 2020, at 1:20:18
In reply to Re: don't do business with new zealand, posted by alexandra_k on July 22, 2020, at 1:06:36
Tis a nasty business.
I mean... They could have set up a graduate research student journal and published a piece from all the studnets each year or twice a year or whatever. To showcase the students work. To give the studnets experience getting a publication out there. To give the students experience with timely peer review to timely production.
Coulda.
And that would have been a research output.
A considerable one.
Developed the field. Developed the University.
Not many Universities manage to pull that off...
They didn't either.
It's not the aim, anymore.
Child abuse appears to be the primary function of universities.
Posted by alexandra_k on July 22, 2020, at 1:27:44
In reply to Re: don't do business with new zealand, posted by alexandra_k on July 22, 2020, at 1:20:18
I mean, Auckland sort of tries with having a Medical Students Journal.
But it isn't actually edited and peer-reviewed and so on by Medical Students.
And it is mostly full of articles that are written by Professors and so on. Many them were never Medical Students and are not involved in teaching Medical Studnents etc...
And the articles that were written by Medical Students...
Seem like puppet articles for the thoughts of a person who doesn't choose to speak their truth themself -- they puppet it through the mouthpiece of a student so they can be all... I don't know... Embarrassed.. Condescending... Insert whatever seems appropriate... When people say 'oh hey I was reading your students piece the other day and I was thinking...'
In so far as people actually read the thing and engage with the ideas...
I don't know what it's primary function is.
Glossy paper.
Left spammed about the building...
Oh pick me pick me pick me to abuse! I always wanted to be special for abuse Faculty of Medical and Health Sciences! How much do I need to pay you to facilitate proper calculation of my GPA??
ffs
Posted by alexandra_k on July 22, 2020, at 1:35:20
In reply to Re: don't do business with new zealand, posted by alexandra_k on July 22, 2020, at 1:27:44
how much do i have to pay you to put my name to a publication (whether i wrote the publication myself or you wrote it for me becuase you won't publish anything any other way)?
?
how much do i have to pay you so that i can watch you give a cervical smear to a woman without her consent?
how much do i have to pay you to get to do that myself?
an abortion?
etc...
do you take payment in sexual favors -- or something else?
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