Posted by Larry Hoover on May 22, 2005, at 10:24:27
In reply to Re: Article, posted by coach on April 28, 2005, at 9:50:47
> I see your concerns about nothing to back up the testing. I am not a scientist so I look at things more simply. But I am in a technical field so I do look at details. But simple put when the behavior is backed up by the test results and then the treatment approach is shown to be working thru the test results and new behavior then it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that there is some validity to this.
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> Now if the test results showed elevations in certain neurotransmitters that did not make sense in view of the persons feelings or behavior then it would be hard to figure that it's valid. Plus if the supplements were supposed to boost serotonin and the test results showed that serotonin went lower and dopamine went higher then it would be hard to believe its validity.
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> But I do know where you are coming from , you are a scientist and you are trained to rely on hard facts and research studies in controlled situations. This is a new field and they are trying to learn things as fast as they can and hopefully they will fund some research projects. But I would imagine they view their test results as proprietery and they have to make money to be able to further the cause. Its the American way, I think?
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> I think you can go by feelings alone and use the current knowledge of supplements to affect your feelings. But I think its not as accurate as getting test results of 10 or 12 neurotransmitter plus taking into account feelings and behavior. Maybe urine testing is not perfect but it another tool that gives indications of whats going on inside you. Its not the magic bullet but its a diagnostic tool that is no invasive and easy to do. I wish it was less expensive so more pepole could use it but I think some insurances pay for it. Neuro Science works thru Doctors not directly with the public. Their stuff is used in conjuction with the Doctors other treatment options. If your going to a Doctor then the insurance should pay for some of the diagnostic procedures.Fair enough. Except it's *not* diagnostic. It *may* be useful for a monitoring tool (change from baseline, with specific supp concentrations/doses), but *not* diagnostic. There are no absolute standards for baseline urine constituents as markers for mood.
Here's the problem with correlation. If I gave a depressed person 40 mg of Prozac a day, and told them to stand on their head each day for 20 minutes, and the Prozac worked, there would also be a correlation with standing on your head. Obviously, the latter correlation is coincidence.
I believe the same thing about urine testing.
The independent variable is the nutrient supps. The dependent variable is mood characteristics. The supps change the mood, and would do so in the absence of urine testing, in any case. Even if they correlate, they tell you nothing new. You would still individualize the nutrient supp program based on mood response, irrespective of urine test results.
Lar
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