Posted by Larry Hoover on January 2, 2006, at 13:33:05
In reply to Re: trauma and cycles in the present » Larry Hoover, posted by alexandra_k on January 1, 2006, at 20:06:08
> > sometimes I see you persist in something that another has told you elicits discomfort. And I don't attribute that to malicious intent. More like doggedness. And, I think most people do that. I do it.
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> ah. yes. i think i'm thinking of the same examples you are and... i agree. i think that is okay. but... i'm thinking of some different examples...Oh. And considering what you've talked about with others, I think I must have missed it. Or, maybe you spoke in code? Girls do say some things in code. I didn't get a decoder ring.
> > And I think you judge yourself most harshly in those moments, when you are unable to act.
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> yes. but... i think we should. unless... the harsh judgement makes it still harder to act in which case it is counter-productive...I recall you ruminating on such, that's all.
> > That's what EMDR is all about. Catharsis. EMDR is like the Heimlich maneuver for the emotions.
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> ah. yeah.. i've read a little bit about that...
> still... can't do it on myself (i don't think...) so need something else that i can do...No, it is definitely not a do-it-yourself. One must have a trained psychotherapist, a psychotherapist+. There is an issue with respect to managing the catharsis, the rate or pace at which it comes. A capacity issue. And you're in constant feedback with one another.
> > Oh, you mean in the catharsis? I always think of lancing a boil. In the greater scheme of time, it only hurts worse for a flash. And you soon knock yourself upside the head for having waited as long as you did.
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> yeah. i don't know... i worry about my functioning. i can't afford to have that disintegrate... need to keep on... need to keep keeping on... i want to get better at that. i want to be able to function even better... but i can't afford a period of reduced functioning in order to obtain that...How is your functioning now? You're going to be facing this emotional charge, willing or unwilling. The fact that it has recently been intense suggests to me that you are ripe for managing it. I understand, all too well, that you have limited opportunities at present, to have supportive care. I don't know what to suggest in the realm of self-management. Other than that process I reference in that other thread (below).
The thing that is unknowable is timing. Time is not an attribute I would assign to these emotional memories.
> > Do you recall my interjection into your discussion with Dinah, the one about parcels?
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> no.You see how my memory is? I remember a gist word, at best. I wonder how the darn thing works at all, some times.
"emotional encapsulation" I spoke fairly early in the thread, and later you and Dinah pretty much had a dialogue. But I start in here: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/psycho/20051216/msgs/590679.html
> > I don't know anna o,
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> well... she got a whole heap worse...
> then she got better...
> went on to do some pretty cool stuff...
> always looked back scathingly on psychoanalysis...She was one of Freud's experiments? Yes, I didn't think you were referring to that anna.
> she was one of the first people to do the 'catharsis' thing...
> spent a fair amount of time in hospital...There is a huge issue of social factors. Of being a novelty. I hesitate to extrapolate from such a singular case. But I haven't read about her later experiences.
Lar
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