Posted by 64bowtie on August 9, 2004, at 7:03:17
In reply to Re: Re: looking forward to it - Me toooo » 64bowtie, posted by Dinah on August 7, 2004, at 18:54:42
(((Dinah))),
Penrose did you say? => Sir Roger Penrose, PhD, talks about the micro tubins activity in the neuron reminds me of how electrons act in a transistor. He argues that if we are alive, we are consious beings. Explains the falasy of Freud, and his self admission that he invented the un-conscious mind.
Bandler & Grinder? => Practiced NLP till recently
google search? => NLP
>What age is this change supposed to take place?
<<< Hmmmm... This mostly came from NLP empiricism. Each Individual is different. Everything seems to come together by age 15 for most (99%). A lot of the black & white stuff is either colorized or seen as distortions and thus discarded. Your son can rethink everything he can remember and subliminally see the black & white stuff consciously as distorted, and instantly colorize them or discard them. We daydream all the time and we aren't gonna daydream in black and white. That would seem wierd. So we update; we colorize. We need more time and a lot more research to be exact in this approach. My implementaion: close is good enough like in horseshoes and hand grenades. If the client reports black & white with stillness in the background and they are the only one in the foreground, I vote unresolved blackmailing memory that is highjacking the emotions.
<<< Carefull neuro-science studies have been reported to show that:
1. children see "it" in color
2. resolve "it" to the background of their awareness.
3. If asked by leading question if that memory is black & white or color, report more than 50% of the time black & white (remember, this is a resolved issues. Unresolved stuff is different and lingers into adulthood unresolved and mostly black & white). Seems there is so little interest that the memory remains in this distorted form of black & White.
4. If need be, and the memory is utilised, it seems to change and be colorized.
5. When asked about the resolved memory while in their 20s, universally, if they still have the memory its in color, if not there is no recollection. Damasio hypothesises that during the dramatic genetic remapping of the brain, stuff gets lost or discarded. Scarey, but explains alot to me about what happened to my memory as a teenager. I didn't drink or do drugs and I was a two sport athlete, Track & field, and Tennis. No one hit me in the head, but somethings just, went away.
6. Trauma victims seem to have those dark, black & white memories into their 60s (that was David's oldest clients we saw). Drug and alcohol abusers we interviewed, were first surprised, then baffled that we knew about their black & white world in their minds. When David would coax them past some painful memories he used the dicotomy of, black & white = pain, and color = pleasure, to steer them to resolution by updating visually with color. Call me a liar, but it really, really works. Cients reported relief from lingering emotional pain for the first time ever. I was there. My ferver for my project is linked to those Ah-hah type episodes, driving me on..., no matter what....!
7. David may have gone way out on a limb with his promoting the technique that, since we can be in two places at once via the mind's eye, that we sit across the room from ourselves and notice that we could have a tooth ache but seeing ourselves from across the room, we can't feel it. Likewise, if we have shame or blame that is blackmailing us, we can be across the room and lovingly reassure ourselves that we can and will take care of ourselves. I used to suggest the same dialog with ourselves only be done while looking at ourselves in a mirror. David upped the ante and now I use "Mirror Work" as I call it much less often. David had victims of childhood sexual assault create the disembodied entity across the room, being the child, and would ask the client in a very soft voice,David: "Do you see that hurting child across the room? Tell me, do they look safe and comfortable? What do you want to say to that child that is you? Can you say it to them right now lovingly, with love in your heart for them and the pain they enduered? In your mind, Go ahead and tell that child you love them and they will be OK and grow up to be you. Tell them you will take care of them and love them no matter what". ...followed by a couple of minutes of silence... then comes the tears.
Man or woman, the tears would fall, and there wouldn't be a dry eye in the room. It was always awesome.
>sounds like some of the EMDR techniques
<<< We were busy trying to study a phenomenon so labels didn't seem to help.
>I've heard of NLP. Neuro-Linguistic Programming?
<<< By practice, I have added some NLP skills to my dog & pony show. I have also added Landmark Education stuff, and because Landmark is joined at the hip with Scientology, I expect to be sued any day now, except Landmark principles are all public domain in nature, but not by name. If I reproduce Landmark literature, I would be guilty of copyright infringement. I don't copy Landmark literature, but I read it and understand it, and disregard the L. Ron Hubbard type spooky stuff.
Note: I use 12 step stuff toooo.
Gosh! I'm at the end. Did I answer your questions?
Rod
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