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Posted by Toph on July 20, 2010, at 14:25:55
In reply to Re: Point system, posted by Dr. Bob on July 20, 2010, at 11:30:18
> > It sort of reminds me of the Sanjaya Effect where websites encouraged voters to vote for the worst contestant.
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> I haven't heard of that, what happened?
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> BobI was referring to a phenomenon where people who presumably have contempt for reality television vote for the singer they think the producers would least like to win. Websites like "Vote for the Worst" would be an example. If enough people were upset with the point system here, they might vote for posts that they think you would find most unsupportive and withhold votes for post they actually viewed as supportive.
I have to admit that I'd be curious about how people would vote posts on this topic. Regarding your suggestion of a point system, would a post critical of this plan be viewed as supportive of the community or unsupportive?
Posted by jade k on July 20, 2010, at 15:33:57
In reply to Re: discussion? Let's start an 'OPT OUT LIST' (nm) » Dr. Bob, posted by fayeroe on July 20, 2010, at 13:39:51
You can block me now Bob.
I'm feeling tired anyway.
JadeBtw-Nice trick posting my upcoming block on the thread, where not even I would have noticed. Another poster emailed me. Not that it matters. Except I know how you love to block me quietly, so I find out when I try to post someone the next day. Cool trick.
Posted by sigismund on July 20, 2010, at 15:38:01
In reply to Re: 'OPTING OUT' Bob's doin for me!, posted by jade k on July 20, 2010, at 15:33:57
I know you didn't jump to that conclusion.
Posted by jade k on July 20, 2010, at 15:40:52
In reply to Re: 'OPTING OUT' Bob's doin for me! » jade k, posted by sigismund on July 20, 2010, at 15:38:01
No. He really is blocking me. He just chose not to post it here. Don't know for how long though.
~Jade
Posted by sigismund on July 20, 2010, at 15:47:06
In reply to Re: 'OPTING OUT' Bob's doin for me!, posted by jade k on July 20, 2010, at 15:40:52
Yes, I wondered how I might help you formulate an apology but that was as far as it got.
FWIW I wasn't bothered by the pesky kids thing nor by what you said. I wondered if you were a little annoyed to see Bulldog blocked.
Posted by jade k on July 20, 2010, at 16:15:05
In reply to Re: 'OPTING OUT' Bob's doin for me! » jade k, posted by sigismund on July 20, 2010, at 15:47:06
Both.
I have a friend who went through agony with the ritalin decision. Her son was in private school and he was going to have to leave if she didn't do something. It was hard on her whole family.
And I think blocking Bulldog for 9 weeks was serious overkill. The blocks are too long in my opinion.
I post regularly when I'm here, most to people who are asking for help. I do the best I can with the exception of a goofy post here and there.
I geuss I'm growing tired of feeling like thats not what this is really about. Helping people in need. Bob posted 2 of my posts on twitter (both I suspect he new would embarress me). This was after I requested upon my return to be "opted out" of fb or twitter links.
Now I find out, once a post goes to another site, the thread goes too, with our posts, even if we have opted out. If you see my "redirected" thread with Deneb, both she and Bob said the only way my posts are being moved is by cut and paste. Not true.
Sorry so long!
Take care,Jade
Posted by 10derHeart on July 20, 2010, at 17:06:21
In reply to Re: Point system » Toph, posted by Dinah on July 20, 2010, at 12:44:15
Posted by 10derHeart on July 20, 2010, at 17:08:39
In reply to Re: Point system, posted by Dinah on July 20, 2010, at 12:53:19
guess I'll wait and see.
don't feel an apology is in order at this point.
you are far more gracious than I, Dinah.
Posted by 10derHeart on July 20, 2010, at 17:33:54
In reply to Re: 'OPTING OUT' FYI thread goes too » sigismund, posted by jade k on July 20, 2010, at 16:15:05
Hi jade, it was great to see you back around here...I read these days but never post. Ok, *hardly* ever.
>Bob posted 2 of my posts on twitter (both I suspect he new would embarress me). This was after I requested upon my return to be "opted out" of fb or twitter links.
Are you sure? You're saying he actually Tweeted them? I have never known him to do anything like that, not on purpose anyway. I think this could be a misunderstanding of internet/social networking terminology. It happened before when he first did the Twitter thing..
>Now I find out, once a post goes to another site, the thread goes too, with our posts, even if we have opted out.
Well....not really. The thread does not go anywhere. It's just that if someone clicks on the link with the Tweet of the post Dr. Bob used (of a poster who did not opt out) it brings them to the "source", which is here = Babble. Which is, of course, his wish, so if they are that interested in one post they read at Twitter, they can find the community/website easily.
Anyone could do that, any time, anywhere with a link to the URL of any of your posts, or mine. In an email, on a website, etc. Fact of life on the internet.
>If you see my "redirected" thread with Deneb, both she and Bob said the only way my posts are being moved is by cut and paste. Not true.
I think what they both wrote was accurate. Maybe they didn't additionally think to mention that others can post links to anything on the Web, but that doesn't make what they did say untrue. Again, I see it as a confusion of terminology. I don't think there is any malicious or sneaky intent. Certainly not by Deneb, but not by Dr. Bob, either.
As I have said before, Dr. Bob is many things, and I strenuously disagree with him on many things, but in all the years I have been here, including several as a deputy, I never saw meanness, as in intentional embarrassment, or deliberate lies. His ways may be...idiosyncratic, though. For sure.
Posted by fayeroe on July 20, 2010, at 17:43:56
In reply to Re: 'OPTING OUT' FYI thread goes too » jade k, posted by 10derHeart on July 20, 2010, at 17:33:54
Speaking of messages going to FB and Twr., I'm curious as what you believe about a post, dated January, 2010 that "Paco" wrote, that showed up on my FB page when I had not been on FB in about 1 year?
Contrary to some of the "babble/internet" savvy people here, I did not mess with my FB settings because I wasn't using FB then. My page was set for friends only anyway. I didn't do it, so who did it?
Just so you'll know what I think, I believe someone here did it. Of course we didn't get to discuss it or check any settings, etc. because Bob blocked me immediately. That effectively shut people up and shut down finding an answer.
Posted by jade k on July 20, 2010, at 18:04:16
In reply to Re: 'OPTING OUT' FYI thread goes too » jade k, posted by 10derHeart on July 20, 2010, at 17:33:54
Thanks for your post...I geuss suspicion runs rampant (in me) since I came back. I have seen enough to question everything. This point system idea is kinda the last straw for me. I wasn't too crazy about the whole Wobeher thing either.
And I have seen him be mean. Passive aggresive maybe, but still mean. I geuss we'll have to disagree on that one!
Really, I'm just sad that Babble has become more about the admin board, us trying to protect our privacy, dignity, each other, the community. The med board is where I have mostly spent my time, its so different now than it was even 2 years ago.
I'm not excited to be here anymore I geuss. I think what has been said several times here is true, it will/ is becoming more of a factual resource than a community. I suspect Dr. Bob wants it that way. That he is still even considering the "rating" system tells me what kind of posters he wants. I'm opting out before I get voted out! I always did feel for those American Idol contestants!....
Wonder why I'm not blocked yet...
One more thing, I thoroughly enjoyed your temper tantrum! Thanks for that!
Take care,
~Jade
Posted by 10derHeart on July 20, 2010, at 20:42:33
In reply to Re: 'OPTING OUT' FYI thread goes too » 10derHeart, posted by jade k on July 20, 2010, at 18:04:16
You are not blocked, I imagine, because Dr. Bob gives some time for posters to decide to apologize for uncivil posts. He only warned you about 6 hours ago or so, right? Don't know if he has a general rule of thumb for how long, but it's often at least a day, I think.
Did I have a temper tantrum I've forgotten? I've had a few in life, but none publicly on the boards that I recall...? Well, I feel dumb now.
I'd rather you not get blocked, but i understand that Babble and Dr. Bob's ways aren't for everyone.
Posted by Violette on July 20, 2010, at 20:55:40
In reply to Re: 'OPTING OUT' FYI thread goes too » 10derHeart, posted by jade k on July 20, 2010, at 18:04:16
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Posted by violette on July 20, 2010, at 21:21:38
In reply to Re: pragmatic experience, posted by Dr. Bob on July 20, 2010, at 10:43:15
Bob,
Your responses remind me of politicians telling the middle class and poor how trickle-down economic policies will benefit them...
Anyone can show 'in theory' how these economic policies would work for them...rather than against them...and how did it turn out after all??
I can't believe you'd even consider this after various people told you the effects this would have on them..such as feelings of sickness.
No need for me to 'opt out' on the rating system as I no longer have the incentive to use this forum for the reasons I initially sought it out.
Posted by fayeroe on July 20, 2010, at 21:21:40
In reply to Babble Alert - July 20, posted by Violette on July 20, 2010, at 20:55:40
Posted by violette on July 20, 2010, at 21:28:22
In reply to Re: Babble Alert - July 20***** :-) **** :-) (nm) » Violette, posted by fayeroe on July 20, 2010, at 21:21:40
Well I picture Dr. Bob sitting in an office doing a regression analysis of the forum which shows a correlation between the introduction of Facebook and Twitter icons with an increased number of posts....
I wonder if he realizes the increases were probably all on the Administration Board, or did he forget to control for that variable?
Posted by ron1953 on July 20, 2010, at 22:00:58
In reply to Re: Point system, posted by Dr. Bob on July 17, 2010, at 14:44:43
I don't know why Bob bothers to invite and respond to input when it's quite obvious that he doesn't give a crap about the opinions given. In this thread, it's almost unanimous against the point(less) system, yet Bob plows on anyway. I think Bob is VERY uncivil in this regard, yet he's the one who decides what is and what is not civil. This post is not for Bob, who doesn't care, anyway; it's for the rest of you - I can feel your frustration.
Posted by sigismund on July 21, 2010, at 15:30:01
In reply to Re: Point system, posted by ron1953 on July 20, 2010, at 22:00:58
I don't think we expect any different Ron.
It's that psychiatric/therapeutic/willfulness thing, unless it's out of the Economics faculty at Chicago University.
Posted by BayLeaf on July 21, 2010, at 19:31:41
In reply to Re: pragmatic experience, posted by Dr. Bob on July 20, 2010, at 10:43:15
How do you control for:
1) subversion - people who hate this idea so much they will rate really unhelpful posts super high, etc. They will SWEAR that post helped them.
2) vendeta - let's say I detest poster Boogerienose. Everything she posts, I plan to rate as low as possible. (And how does I explain negative votes, if that's required within civility guidlines?)
3) moodiness - so, what if my version of bipolar has angry mania. I spend 3 days saying every post sucks. Or my Borderline PD causes such highs and lows, my opinion changes thoughout the day. I HATE that post. I LOVE that post.
How useful will any of that feed be to the poster or the community? How much more time to you plan of spending here ferreting through all these messes???
Bob, this is the worst new plan for Babblers recovery. It has too much potential to cause pain, rather than be supportive and helpful.
Posted by sigismund on July 21, 2010, at 20:13:55
In reply to Re: pragmatic experience » Dr. Bob, posted by BayLeaf on July 21, 2010, at 19:31:41
>Bob, this is the worst new plan for Babblers recovery. It has too much potential to cause pain, rather than be supportive and helpful.
The technological fix, rewards, punishments, incentivation, enhancement, moving forward together etc
Posted by fayeroe on July 21, 2010, at 21:09:50
In reply to Re: pragmatic experience, posted by sigismund on July 21, 2010, at 20:13:55
> >Bob, this is the worst new plan for Babblers recovery. It has too much potential to cause pain, rather than be supportive and helpful.
>
> The technological fix, rewards, punishments, incentivation, enhancement, moving forward together etcMakes me want to "refudiate" it.
Posted by sigismund on July 21, 2010, at 21:32:03
In reply to Re: pragmatic experience » sigismund, posted by fayeroe on July 21, 2010, at 21:09:50
Tough love, stakeholders....there's heaps of this kind of stuff, floating round the anglosphere, especially.
(That Australian who founded Wikileaks was asked what he thought about living in Australia and he said 'It's fine, as long as you are aware that you live in a suburb of Anglo-Saxonia.')
Posted by fayeroe on July 21, 2010, at 21:37:36
In reply to Re: pragmatic experience » fayeroe, posted by sigismund on July 21, 2010, at 21:32:03
Posted by Justherself54 on July 21, 2010, at 21:40:26
In reply to Re: pragmatic experience » sigismund, posted by fayeroe on July 21, 2010, at 21:09:50
I'm quite sure Dr. Bob is going to go ahead with the rating system. We lost good people due to the Facebook/Twitter fiasco. How many people will leave if this goes through?
What would happen if everyone but one or two opted out?
This just feels so wrong.
Posted by Toph on July 22, 2010, at 9:28:12
In reply to Re: Ratings, posted by Justherself54 on July 21, 2010, at 21:40:26
Sometimes Bob acts like those insecure people who constantly test those who care about them - abusing, belittling, annoying them - just to have proof that they care by their hanging around.
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