![[dr. bob]](/dr-bob-sm.gif)
Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
bob@dr-bob.orgShown: posts 1 to 21 of 21. This is the beginning of the thread.
Posted by CarolW on January 12, 2004, at 9:57:14
I am taking SAM-e for depression (200mg twice a day). But, haven't noticed any real changes. I still get in a funk... Are there any other supplements that can also help with depression? I'd love to get a good recommendation- Thanks
Posted by john1022 on January 12, 2004, at 9:58:22
In reply to Need recommends for anti-depression supplements, posted by CarolW on January 12, 2004, at 9:57:14
The amino acid 5htp may be worth a shot. It is a pretty easy way to increase serotonin levels in the brain
Posted by psychophysicist on January 13, 2004, at 9:09:20
In reply to Re: Need recommends for anti-depression supplements, posted by john1022 on January 12, 2004, at 9:58:22
A friend of mine who has severe manic depression introduced me to Nootropic medications (drugs, herbs, dietary supplements - whatever you want to call them). I have depression I can only describe as daily Hell probably due to genetics combined with head truama I suffered when I was younger.
Picamilon is a Russian nootrpic that I guess is used widely over there. It was said to be extremely effective and fast-acting: one hour as oppossed to 2 weeks for most SSRIs and almost 2 months for my last med (Lamictal). I have recently been taking Picamilon with excellent results. I have several friends that have had the same kind of dissapointing results with American meds and I am now convinced that the only reason this stuff is not widely used in the U.S. is that the drug companies are trying to keep it (and other nootropic meds) out of the market.
I got my stuff here: xxx. They sell several "dietary supplements" which I have found to be effective where the drug-dealing doctors I have seen over the years have failed miserably. Rhodiola is a "mood enhancer" that I am trying now for the second day to lower anxiety in conjunction with the Picamilon. It also seems to do precicely what it is said to do.
If you feel too "spacy" on Picamilon you may want to try Piracitam. (Sorry I do not know where to buy that med.)
I was weary to try anything not prescribed by a doctor but since beggining Picamilon I now view the Phizer, Merk and E. Lilly drugs as Gestapo drugs. I say this because in my 11 year history of being treated by the drug-dealing scum we call psychiatrists here in the US nothing has come close to the results I am getting from these nootrpics. If you can name it I've been on it: Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Remeron, Parnate, Elavil, Norpramin, Wellbutrin, and most recently Lamictal combined with Celexa. This last combo seemed to work fairly well - at least I was functional. However, I developed the "Lamictal rash" and had to discontinue use of the Lamictal immediately. That was a blessing in disguise as I have now found total relief in nootropic meds.
My ONLY concern now is that they will not be effective long-term but from the info I have read that is not the case.
Did I say that I have come to believe that US doctors are no more than drug-dealers and that I have not one ounce of respect for them? I guess I did.
Psychophysicist
> The amino acid 5htp may be worth a shot. It is a pretty easy way to increase serotonin levels in the brain
Posted by Psychopoppy on January 13, 2004, at 14:26:58
In reply to Re: Need recommends for anti-depression supplements, posted by psychophysicist on January 13, 2004, at 9:09:20
"drug-dealing scum we call psychiatrists here in the US"....and might I add Canada !
I totally agree. Infact I think doctors in general are just one step up from used car dealers here. They're just businessmen. There are very very few exceptions to that and if anyone has found one I suggest they hang on to that person as tight as they can.
Speaking of those russian nootropics....I was just wondering...how do you know of the quality of those preparations ? Do you trust the source ? Can you be sure that there aren't any "additives" or "contaminants" ? I mean whats to say that there isnt a pinch of cocaine added and thats why you feel so good after taking that drug ?
just wonderin'
Posted by psychophysicist on January 14, 2004, at 0:40:15
In reply to Re: Need recommends for anti-depression supplements » psychophysicist, posted by Psychopoppy on January 13, 2004, at 14:26:58
I have no way of knowing for sure that the Picamilon is what it says it is. However I have done lots of coke and I can assure you there isn't any in there. The best coke in the world doesn't last for 6 hours. Besides, if there were something that expensive they wouldn't sell it for only $30.00 a bottle would they?
The Picamilon bottle says it is "sodium nicotinoyl-aminobutyrate" whatever that is (I'm no chemist). Whatever it is it seems to work exactly as described: 1 hour after taking it you start to feel a calming affect and it stays with you for about 6 hours after which you will begin to become agitated/depressed again. It is just that simple.
I did not cut myself or think of suicide today and to me that is all that matters.
The guys at Smart Nutrition told me to look into Taurine as well - and get this: since they don't sell it THEY RECCOMENDED THEIR COMPETITOR (nowfoods.com). I have not tried it so I can't say anything about it but one of the guys there said it may even work better than Picamilon. I told him I wanted to order more of the Picamilon anyway and I will try the Taurine later.
They also said there are other options if I ever feel like trying some other things: Idebenone, magnisium citrate, DHA Oil (Omega3), and B-Complex (which I already knew about). I was told that the people who report the best results mix their OWN PERSONAL combo - directly contradictory to the US concept of blindly following doctors' advice.
They also told me that a lot of people gety excellent results from L-Theanine which is a Green Tea extract. Again they reccomended a competitor because they are cureently out of stock: http://www.nutriscienceusa.com/.
I think these guys actually want to help people (in America??? How can this be?). I just hope the FDA doesn't get involved now that people are learning about this stuff!
I am ANGRY at the American medical establishment. As far as I am concerned they are bordeline MURDERERS for limiting access to this stuff. How many suicide cases could have been prevented by an "alternative" treatment? This whole thing sickens me to the very core of my being knowing how badly people are hurting out there and now knowing doctors and drug companies and the government are not informing patients of these drugs and not putting any money into researching stuff that doesn't directly make them $$$. Apparently human life only has value to these people if they can make money off you.
I say CAPITALISM AND HEALTHCARE DO NOT MIX!!!!!!
-(Psychophysicist)-
>
> "drug-dealing scum we call psychiatrists here in the US"
>
> ....and might I add Canada !
>
> I totally agree. Infact I think doctors in general are just one step up from used car dealers here. They're just businessmen. There are very very few exceptions to that and if anyone has found one I suggest they hang on to that person as tight as they can.
>
> Speaking of those russian nootropics....I was just wondering...how do you know of the quality of those preparations ? Do you trust the source ? Can you be sure that there aren't any "additives" or "contaminants" ? I mean whats to say that there isnt a pinch of cocaine added and thats why you feel so good after taking that drug ?
> just wonderin'
Posted by Francesco on January 14, 2004, at 14:54:04
In reply to Need recommends for anti-depression supplements, posted by CarolW on January 12, 2004, at 9:57:14
The only thing I can say is that I have read that the recomended dose for SAM-E is 800 mg a day, so you maybe you're taking less than what would be helpful ... If you're interested I can post the link of the article (unfortunately the artiche is in italian, but the abstract should be in english) ... In this research sam-e showed to be as useful as standard antidepressants in mild and moderate depressions ...
Posted by Beren One Hand on January 17, 2004, at 13:50:39
In reply to Re: Need recommends for anti-depression supplements » CarolW, posted by Francesco on January 14, 2004, at 14:54:04
I've been experimenting with a regimen that has helped my depression (although I'm only a mild case though)
Monring:
Take NADH
Run for 30 minutes
Take Acetyl-Carnitine
Eat two DHA-enhanced eggs
Eat one Luna bar (it has 100% of all major vitamin Bs, vitamin E, and vitamin C)
Take Gingko BilobaNoon:
Eat a sensible meal that is not too high on carbs.
Night:
Take DHA/EPA Omega 3 Fishoil
Take melatonin one hour before bedtime.
Posted by psychophysicist on January 19, 2004, at 11:30:51
In reply to Re: Need recommends for anti-depression supplements, posted by Beren One Hand on January 17, 2004, at 13:50:39
This bring up an important point that EVERY doctor should tell EVERY sufferring patient but usualy doesn't:
There is no substitute for excercise.
It sounds like you have a winning combo and it is all-natural. Kudos!
> I've been experimenting with a regimen that has helped my depression (although I'm only a mild case though)
>
> Monring:
>
> Take NADH
> Run for 30 minutes
> Take Acetyl-Carnitine
> Eat two DHA-enhanced eggs
> Eat one Luna bar (it has 100% of all major vitamin Bs, vitamin E, and vitamin C)
> Take Gingko Biloba
>
> Noon:
>
> Eat a sensible meal that is not too high on carbs.
>
> Night:
>
> Take DHA/EPA Omega 3 Fishoil
> Take melatonin one hour before bedtime.
Posted by McPac on January 24, 2004, at 21:08:40
In reply to Re: Need recommends for anti-depression supplements, posted by psychophysicist on January 13, 2004, at 9:09:20
I have depression I can only describe as daily Hell probably due to genetics combined with head truama I suffered when I was younger.
>>>>>>>(Same as me! The head injury occured at age 15 or 16. Just curious, have any meds ever caused you to become TERRIBLY angry?)
Picamilon is a Russian nootrpic that I guess is used widely over there. It was said to be extremely effective and fast-acting: one hour as oppossed to 2 weeks for most SSRIs and almost 2 months for my last med (Lamictal). I have recently been taking Picamilon with excellent results. I have several friends that have had the same kind of dissapointing results with American meds and I am now convinced that the only reason this stuff is not widely used in the U.S. is that the drug companies are trying to keep it (and other nootropic meds) out of the market.
I got my stuff here: xxx. They sell several "dietary supplements" which I have found to be effective where the drug-dealing doctors I have seen over the years have failed miserably. Rhodiola is a "mood enhancer" that I am trying now for the second day to lower anxiety in conjunction with the Picamilon. It also seems to do precicely what it is said to do.
>>>>>Fonding supplements that really work...and that can MAINTAIN their effectiveness has been a big problem for me. I have not tried the Picamilon or the Rhodiola yet though.
If you feel too "spacy" on Picamilon you may want to try Piracitam. (Sorry I do not know where to buy that med.)
I was weary to try anything not prescribed by a doctor but since beggining Picamilon I now view the Phizer, Merk and E. Lilly drugs as Gestapo drugs. I say this because in my 11 year history of being treated by the drug-dealing scum we call psychiatrists here in the US nothing has come close to the results I am getting from these nootrpics. If you can name it I've been on it: Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Remeron, Parnate, Elavil, Norpramin, Wellbutrin, and most recently Lamictal combined with Celexa. This last combo seemed to work fairly well - at least I was functional. However, I developed the "Lamictal rash" and had to discontinue use of the Lamictal immediately. That was a blessing in disguise as I have now found total relief in nootropic meds.
My ONLY concern now is that they will not be effective long-term but from the info I have read that is not the case.
Did I say that I have come to believe that US doctors are no more than drug-dealers and that I have not one ounce of respect for them? I guess I did.
>>>>>>>>>> US doctors are sheep excrement.
Psychophysicist
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 26, 2004, at 0:30:44
In reply to psychophysicist, for anti-depression supplements, posted by McPac on January 24, 2004, at 21:08:40
> I got my stuff here: xxx. They sell several "dietary supplements" which I have found to be effective where the drug-dealing doctors I have seen over the years have failed miserably.
Please don't use this site to exchange information that could be used to import into the US prescription medication without a prescription:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#illegal
Thanks,
Bob
PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration; otherwise, they may be deleted.
Posted by McPac on January 27, 2004, at 0:19:55
In reply to Re: medication without a prescription » McPac, posted by Dr. Bob on January 26, 2004, at 0:30:44
I didn't post that part....that was part of the poster's post that I recopied.
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 27, 2004, at 23:25:03
In reply to Dr Bob, Re: medication without a prescription, posted by McPac on January 27, 2004, at 0:19:55
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 27, 2004, at 23:26:51
In reply to Re: Need recommends for anti-depression supplements, posted by psychophysicist on January 13, 2004, at 9:09:20
> I got my stuff here: xxx. They sell several "dietary supplements" which I have found to be effective where the drug-dealing doctors I have seen over the years have failed miserably.
Please don't use this site to exchange information that could be used to import into the US prescription medication without a prescription:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#illegal
Thanks,
Bob
Posted by flyingdreams on February 4, 2004, at 0:26:54
In reply to Re: Need recommends for anti-depression supplements, posted by psychophysicist on January 14, 2004, at 0:40:15
Do something about it then, get the word out there:
1) at the bottom of your emails - signature - write this information
2) go to:
http://www.petitiononline.com/effexor/petition.html
and sign or start another one
3) email the media
dateline@nbc.com
and others!Thanks for the info on the vitamins. I know Omega 3 & Super B Complex & E & Green Tea are helping me so far, skipped a day and felt it! Wierd how it works.
Posted by flyingdreams on February 4, 2004, at 0:29:14
In reply to Re: Need recommends for anti-depression supplements, posted by Beren One Hand on January 17, 2004, at 13:50:39
what's NADH, DHA-enhanced eggs & Luna bar and where do you buy it?
Posted by psychophysicist on February 6, 2004, at 2:34:05
In reply to Re: medication without a prescription » McPac, posted by Dr. Bob on January 26, 2004, at 0:30:44
Actually what I am talking about are not prescription drugs. The FDA categorizes them as (some of them) as dietary supplements. (Piracitam I do not know about since I don't take it - but I do reccommend it.)
I have been using Picamilon for some time now and I have found it to be much better than any of the shit you'd probably hand one of your poor clients.Don't try to use this forum to be a better drug dealer for the Pharmacult!
xxx, try your local health food store.
I have sufferred greatly from depression, sir, and it is DOCTORS who have hurt me by prescribing only what the Pharma's tell them - and they blindly accept as fact - are "good" for their patients. Your practice has debilitated MILIIONS of children for MONEY. Doesn't that make you a monster, not a doctor? Is ignorance OK if common folk rely on your wisdom? Don't you think a natural solution is possible?
No, you are a "doctor". Your mentality is that you are the new priestly class and have a lock on knowledge. Amino butylate formulations and tea extracts are natural and work better, if administered properly , than SSRIs in the cases I've seen. Since nobody can make MONEY off of them, though, are "doctors" prescribing them? No, they let their patients suffer.
Thanks for the forum, **fuck you** for continuing the practice of legal drug dealing. One day you will be ashamed to be a doctor - when the TRUTH comes out.
~Psychophysicist~
PS: You'll get a copy of this via e-mail, but if you delete the post I'll check back every couple weeks and just post it again. You can shut down the site if you are going to be dealing drugs from it!
> > I got my stuff here: xxx. They sell several "dietary supplements" which I have found to be effective where the drug-dealing doctors I have seen over the years have failed miserably.
>
> Please don't use this site to exchange information that could be used to import into the US prescription medication without a prescription:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#illegal
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bob
>
> PS: Follow-ups regarding posting policies should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration; otherwise, they may be deleted.
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 6, 2004, at 8:10:14
In reply to Re: medication without a prescription, posted by psychophysicist on February 6, 2004, at 2:34:05
> the sh[*]t you'd probably hand one of your poor clients.
>
> I have sufferred greatly from depression, sir, and it is DOCTORS who have hurt me by prescribing only what the Pharma's tell them... Doesn't that make you a monster, not a doctor?
>
> **f[*]ck you** for continuing the practice of legal drug dealing.I'm sorry you've suffered, but please don't use language that could offend others or post anything that could lead them to feel accused or put down. I've asked you to follow the guidelines in the FAQ before, so now I'm going to block you from posting for a week.
If you have any questions about this or comments about posting policies in general, or are interested in alternative ways to express yourself, please see the FAQ:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
or email me, or redirect a follow-up to Psycho-Babble Administration after your block is over. Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Stryker88 on February 9, 2004, at 15:34:38
In reply to Re: blocked for week » psychophysicist, posted by Dr. Bob on February 6, 2004, at 8:10:14
ROUND OF APPLAUSE THANK YOU DR.BOB CHEER! CHEER! CHEER! CHEER!
Posted by Stryker88 on February 9, 2004, at 15:36:38
In reply to Re: blocked for week, posted by Stryker88 on February 9, 2004, at 15:34:38
THANKZ
Posted by Muscrat on February 9, 2004, at 20:31:01
In reply to Need recommends for anti-depression supplements, posted by CarolW on January 12, 2004, at 9:57:14
I got it at a local health food store. It's a brand name, rather than the name of an herb or such. I found it to be quick and pretty effective. :-)
Posted by buddhi on February 9, 2004, at 22:10:12
In reply to Re: Need recommends for anti-depression supplements, posted by psychophysicist on January 13, 2004, at 9:09:20
> A friend of mine who has severe manic depression introduced me to Nootropic medications (drugs, herbs, dietary supplements - whatever you want to call them). I have depression I can only describe as daily Hell probably due to genetics combined with head truama I suffered when I was younger.
>
> Picamilon is a Russian nootrpic that I guess is used widely over there. It was said to be extremely effective and fast-acting: one hour as oppossed to 2 weeks for most SSRIs and almost 2 months for my last med (Lamictal). I have recently been taking Picamilon with excellent results. I have several friends that have had the same kind of dissapointing results with American meds and I am now convinced that the only reason this stuff is not widely used in the U.S. is that the drug companies are trying to keep it (and other nootropic meds) out of the market.
>
> I got my stuff here: xxx. They sell several "dietary supplements" which I have found to be effective where the drug-dealing doctors I have seen over the years have failed miserably. Rhodiola is a "mood enhancer" that I am trying now for the second day to lower anxiety in conjunction with the Picamilon. It also seems to do precicely what it is said to do.
>
> If you feel too "spacy" on Picamilon you may want to try Piracitam. (Sorry I do not know where to buy that med.)
>
> I was weary to try anything not prescribed by a doctor but since beggining Picamilon I now view the Phizer, Merk and E. Lilly drugs as Gestapo drugs. I say this because in my 11 year history of being treated by the drug-dealing scum we call psychiatrists here in the US nothing has come close to the results I am getting from these nootrpics. If you can name it I've been on it: Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Remeron, Parnate, Elavil, Norpramin, Wellbutrin, and most recently Lamictal combined with Celexa. This last combo seemed to work fairly well - at least I was functional. However, I developed the "Lamictal rash" and had to discontinue use of the Lamictal immediately. That was a blessing in disguise as I have now found total relief in nootropic meds.
>
> My ONLY concern now is that they will not be effective long-term but from the info I have read that is not the case.
>
> Did I say that I have come to believe that US doctors are no more than drug-dealers and that I have not one ounce of respect for them? I guess I did.
>
> Psychophysicist
>
>
>
>
> > The amino acid 5htp may be worth a shot. It is a pretty easy way to increase serotonin levels in the brain
>I have a question for ya wwondering where you purchased your picamilion??? In the United states??? Can you tell me specifically you can email me at amy@pause.com with the info !!! Thanks so much take care Buddhi
This is the end of the thread.
Psycho-Babble Alternative | Extras | FAQ
Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
bob@dr-bob.org
Script revised: February 4, 2008
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/cgi-bin/pb/mget.pl
Copyright 2006-17 Robert Hsiung.
Owned and operated by Dr. Bob LLC and not the University of Chicago.