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Posted by All Done on February 1, 2005, at 18:51:17
In reply to Sigh., posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 18:35:15
Posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 19:04:41
In reply to Re: (((((Dinah))))) (nm), posted by All Done on February 1, 2005, at 18:51:17
I'm rather amused with myself. :) I can't even have Psych Central on my main bookmark list. I have to get to it through some folders.
Hey! I just outed myself though. Dr. Bob KNOWS!!! :-O
Posted by Angielala on February 1, 2005, at 19:31:14
In reply to Does it have to be one or the other?, posted by All Done on February 1, 2005, at 17:36:28
So I checked Psych Central out today... thought maybe I should post the Lamictal Pregnancy thing there, just in case. I got this poster telling me that if I was her that she wouldn't stay on the drug because if anything happens to the baby, I would have a lifetime of guilt. First impression of the place, the posters there do not have the same class as the posters here. I might be biased, but no one here would say that to the post that I posted (same post as here). Maybe it's just one bad poster... but God! Talk about trying to make someone feel pressured to follow their advice!
> dr-bob.org and psychcentral.com
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> Does one have to be bad and the other good?
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> Do we have to choose where we get our education and support? Do we have to choose which posters we are going to befriend? It feels to me like many believe it has to be a choice. One or the other.
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> I post here. I post there. I like and dislike things about PsychoBabble. I like and dislike things about PsychCentral.
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> One thing remains constant, though. I like and feel loyal to *posters* at both places. I just can't deny myself the opportunity to make new friends and I definitely can't deny myself the opportunity to cultivate the friendships I already have.
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> Do you think Dr. Hsiung and Dr. Grohol mind if we post at both places? They shouldn't.
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> Just thinking outloud and feeling sad that I think a wall is going up (or growing higher?) between the two places :(.
>
> Laurie
Posted by Gabbix2 on February 1, 2005, at 20:31:47
In reply to Does it have to be one or the other?, posted by All Done on February 1, 2005, at 17:36:28
> dr-bob.org and psychcentral.com
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> Does one have to be bad and the other good?Dinah's neuroses aside.... : )
Of course not! Perhaps if one of the moderators was soliciting donations for the K.K.K....
I'd be happy to see your name wherever I went.
Posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 20:38:13
In reply to Re: Does it have to be one or the other? » All Done, posted by Gabbix2 on February 1, 2005, at 20:31:47
I do post on a doll board, though. That seems to be ok with my conscience.
Posted by gardenergirl on February 1, 2005, at 21:34:55
In reply to First impression, posted by Angielala on February 1, 2005, at 19:31:14
Holy cannoli.
I just read the responses to your post on PC. And I just read Dr. John's response and see that he locked the thread. Um, can you say transference on his part?
I think that was out of line.
I'm sorry that happened to you.
gg
Posted by Angielala on February 1, 2005, at 21:50:26
In reply to Re: First impression...sheesh, warranted I think » Angielala, posted by gardenergirl on February 1, 2005, at 21:34:55
Here's the post I just recieved from Dr. John, right before he blocked me:
I'm not clear as to your negative reaction to a fellow member trying to offer you support and help. You make a post about taking a particular medication while in pregnancy, saying not a single person will give you advice or direction regarding this medication and pregnancy. So what would you expect others to say?
Oh, I see... you did it to compare responses:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20050128/msgs/451287.html
Nevermind. Your intentions are clear now.
Talk about extremely childish..... "Oh, I see..."
So who do you think the mole is here? Someone obiviously is a double poster and let Dr. John know that I posted the same question here.
So I am not allowed to be on his board if I'm on this one... Gee- Thank you Dr. John for not helping me at all. I'll make sure to post your site as unhelpful everywhere I go.
And to add- let's count the words Cocoa cannot spell:
effence
oppinion
consern
intitled
reseive
asume
brough
carefull
ressonsDr. John- you can keep your illiterate posters... blocking a poster because they disagreed with one poster (and on my first day) shows that you really shouldn't have that board at all.
Good riddance.
And whomever thinks that they are sly here, thanks for showing me that Psych Central wasn't worth my time.
God, people really suck!
Posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 21:52:28
In reply to Re: First impression...sheesh, warranted I think » Angielala, posted by gardenergirl on February 1, 2005, at 21:34:55
I wonder if he always reads Babble? Or did he make a special effort today?
I wonder if Dr. Bob reads Psych Central?
I did read his blog years ago and have always thought well of Dr. Bob for not responding in kind.
I'm sure there are pros and cons to both places.
Admin is crazy making here sometimes, but disappearing and changing posts would drive me batty. And I suspect I wouldn't be able to say so as loudly as I do here.
But I could be wrong. I haven't been there that much. I never felt right reading too much before I registered to post.
I'm odd, aren't I?
However, while I'm rudely gossiping, could someone pleeease babblemail me with the gist of what was said in the infamous welcome post? Inquiring minds want to know. (blush)
Posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 21:56:06
In reply to I got kicked off Psych Central (or) Dear Dr. John, posted by Angielala on February 1, 2005, at 21:50:26
Angie, no one necessarily did anything. He was obviously already reading or he wouldn't have yanked his welcome post. Someone may have tipped him off about that. Perhaps he just kept reading to see what was said. Or maybe he reads Babble every day.
Maybe it's just Dr. John himself.
I don't think anyone would want to see you get blocked here or there.
Posted by Angielala on February 1, 2005, at 22:15:36
In reply to Re: I got kicked off Psych Central (or) Dear Dr. John » Angielala, posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 21:56:06
Oh My... you are right...
I didn't think that a "Doctor" than ran a whole "support" board would have time to read PB... looks like he's the one playing games, huh? It's pretty sad that Dr. John is so involved with this petty stuff when people acutally need help.
When help is already hard to find, and then you find a board like this and it treats you like this on an incorrect assumption... well, it's horrible.
> Angie, no one necessarily did anything. He was obviously already reading or he wouldn't have yanked his welcome post. Someone may have tipped him off about that. Perhaps he just kept reading to see what was said. Or maybe he reads Babble every day.
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> Maybe it's just Dr. John himself.
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> I don't think anyone would want to see you get blocked here or there.
Posted by Gabbix2 on February 1, 2005, at 23:36:19
In reply to Re: I got kicked off Psych Central (or) Dear Dr. John, posted by Angielala on February 1, 2005, at 22:15:36
> Oh My... you are right...
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> I didn't think that a "Doctor" than ran a whole "support" board would have time to read PB... looks like he's the one playing games, huh?EWWW, well after reading that response to you it sounds like he's unhealthily preoccupied with Babble.. I'm saying that 'in nice.' In another 6 months he'll be all skinny and have unwashed hair, and a scraggly beard, screaming at strangers on the street that they are the spawn of Bob's board.
I think he wouldn't have to read the whole board though, you can just type key words into the "edit" function scan the screen and it will highlight the words, it would still be time consuming but he wouldn't have to read each post.
It's pretty sad that Dr. John is so involved with this petty stuff when people acutally need help.That's it. That's what really galled me. He completely overlooked your pain, and if he genuinely thought you were being negative, well
being a psychiatrist should have understood the many possible reasons for that *aside from you having an ulterior motive*. The most important thing to him was to skewer you, to show that you hadn't put anything past him.. and he had no proof, he couldn't have, he was wrong. That kind of accusation coming from a Dr. toward somone in a vulnerable position is really really frightening. What if a suicidal person posted and he accused them of just wanting to test how he would react because he doesn't allow suicidal posts..Okay I'm on a tangent, and I'll stop now.
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> When help is already hard to find, and then you find a board like this and it treats you like this on an incorrect assumption... well, it's horrible.
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> > Angie, no one necessarily did anything. He was obviously already reading or he wouldn't have yanked his welcome post. Someone may have tipped him off about that. Perhaps he just kept reading to see what was said. Or maybe he reads Babble every day.
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> > Maybe it's just Dr. John himself.
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> > I don't think anyone would want to see you get blocked here or there.
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Posted by Angielala on February 1, 2005, at 23:47:25
In reply to Re: I got kicked off Psych Central (or) Dear Dr. John » Angielala, posted by Gabbix2 on February 1, 2005, at 23:36:19
Gab-
You jsut made it so clear for me- you hit the nail on the head when you said:
"That kind of accusation coming from a Dr. toward somone in a vulnerable position is really really frightening. What if a suicidal person posted and he accused them of just wanting to test how he would react because he doesn't allow suicidal posts.."
Iagine if a poster was in a worse position than I am... that's exactly why it bothered me so much- to know that a doc couldn't understand that I'm extremely scared and emotional right now.. it IS extremely frightening...
Thank you for making me feel less alone.. and for making me laugh... seeing him all tweaked out in an alley ranting about Babble.. hehe...
> > Oh My... you are right...
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> > I didn't think that a "Doctor" than ran a whole "support" board would have time to read PB... looks like he's the one playing games, huh?
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> EWWW, well after reading that response to you it sounds like he's unhealthily preoccupied with Babble.. I'm saying that 'in nice.' In another 6 months he'll be all skinny and have unwashed hair, and a scraggly beard, screaming at strangers on the street that they are the spawn of Bob's board.
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> I think he wouldn't have to read the whole board though, you can just type key words into the "edit" function scan the screen and it will highlight the words, it would still be time consuming but he wouldn't have to read each post.
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> It's pretty sad that Dr. John is so involved with this petty stuff when people acutally need help.
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> That's it. That's what really galled me. He completely overlooked your pain, and if he genuinely thought you were being negative, well
> being a psychiatrist should have understood the many possible reasons for that *aside from you having an ulterior motive*. The most important thing to him was to skewer you, to show that you hadn't put anything past him.. and he had no proof, he couldn't have, he was wrong. That kind of accusation coming from a Dr. toward somone in a vulnerable position is really really frightening. What if a suicidal person posted and he accused them of just wanting to test how he would react because he doesn't allow suicidal posts..
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> Okay I'm on a tangent, and I'll stop now.
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> > When help is already hard to find, and then you find a board like this and it treats you like this on an incorrect assumption... well, it's horrible.
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> > > Angie, no one necessarily did anything. He was obviously already reading or he wouldn't have yanked his welcome post. Someone may have tipped him off about that. Perhaps he just kept reading to see what was said. Or maybe he reads Babble every day.
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> > > Maybe it's just Dr. John himself.
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> > > I don't think anyone would want to see you get blocked here or there.
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Posted by All Done on February 2, 2005, at 0:48:45
In reply to Sort of interesting, I guess., posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 21:52:28
> I'm odd, aren't I?
No, Dinah. You're lovely. :)
I think we may have different feelings on this whole topic and I just hope I didn't make you feel as though I don't understand where you're coming from. I suppose that's where the hugs came from.
Take care,
Laurie
Posted by All Done on February 2, 2005, at 0:58:20
In reply to Re: Does it have to be one or the other? » All Done, posted by Gabbix2 on February 1, 2005, at 20:31:47
> Of course not! Perhaps if one of the moderators was soliciting donations for the K.K.K....
Yes. I agree that would be a completely different set of circumstances that would warrant my stamp of disapproval. Makes me kind of think, though...this is probably just about each person's tolerance level and what they are willing to deal with for the sake of another benefit. Ugh. I think I'm too tired to think about this tonight, though :(.
> I'd be happy to see your name wherever I went.
Aww, thanks Gabbi! I appreciate that more than you know :).
Take care,
Laurie
Posted by All Done on February 2, 2005, at 1:00:38
In reply to Re: Does it have to be one or the other?, posted by gardenergirl on February 1, 2005, at 17:50:51
> Maybe we should have a giant tug of war?
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> ;)
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> No, I agree Laurie.
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> ggOh dear, I never, ever won in tug of war.
I'm really weak, you know. And I'm a clutz. Terrible combination for tug of war.
;)
Posted by All Done on February 2, 2005, at 1:01:32
In reply to IMHO it doesn't :-) (nm), posted by Fallen4MyT on February 1, 2005, at 17:44:31
Posted by All Done on February 2, 2005, at 1:11:40
In reply to Re: I got kicked off Psych Central (or) Dear Dr. John, posted by Angielala on February 1, 2005, at 23:47:25
Angielala,
First off - nice to see you, again!
Second, I'm sorry for what you went through today.
Third and most importantly, congratulations on your pregnancy!!! You must be so excited :).
Take care and big hugs to you and your little one,
Laurie
Posted by All Done on February 2, 2005, at 1:15:58
In reply to Does it have to be one or the other?, posted by All Done on February 1, 2005, at 17:36:28
Please know that I realize some posters have much deeper issues and histories with these sites than I do. I know people have been hurt and I understand why that hurt might drive them away from one of the sites to the other. Or even away from both. It's sad and I wish it didn't happen.
All I guess I'm trying to say is that I just hope we can all respect each others' decisions to post or not post at one and/or both sites.
Gosh. I'm just rambling terribly.
Time for bed.
Laurie
Posted by Dinah on February 2, 2005, at 1:20:49
In reply to Does it have to be one or the other?For some maybe, posted by All Done on February 2, 2005, at 1:15:58
Goodness yes, I respect whatever decision someone makes about that.
But I will admit to a wee bit of envy to those who feel completely comfortable at both. It must be nice to not feel completely dependent on one or the other to fill the need for a mental health internet support community.
Which is not so say I don't respect and support people who decide for whatever reason from feelings of alienation to a love of smiles or a dislike of smiles to post on one board or the other.
Posted by All Done on February 2, 2005, at 1:34:50
In reply to Re: Does it have to be one or the other?For some maybe » All Done, posted by Dinah on February 2, 2005, at 1:20:49
> Goodness yes, I respect whatever decision someone makes about that.
I think we all know that, Dinah. You have got to be the most respectful person here :).
Posted by Tabitha on February 2, 2005, at 2:47:07
In reply to Sort of interesting, I guess., posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 21:52:28
to the best of my recall...
It started out with a welcome, said "a little birdy" told him a bunch of ex-Babblers were there, then went into a list of points about his site. It said the site wasn't used for research ever, it isn't indexed by search engines, that he takes action if it ever does get indexed by search engines, he said the admin is done with a light hand there, he doesn't micromanage, and it isn't paternalistic/maternalistic. I think he said the admin is done with PMs, (private messages) but I'm not sure on that one. And there was a point about no suicidal posts like Gabbi said:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20050128/msgs/451334.html
I think the controversial part was saying he doesn't micromanage and isn't paternalistic, and uses a light hand. Although he didn't say he was talking about admin here, from the context it was possibile to read it as saying Dr Bob's admin was micromanaging, paternalistic, and heavy-handed. But all in all I don't think it would have gotten a PBC, since you did have to insert the assumption that he was commenting on Dr Bob's admin in order to get an insult out of it.
TofuEmmy had made a cute follow-up post about how folks needed to approach us Babblers cautiously because we're all in text-only mode and likely to get spooked by smileys. She even used a plain old ASCII smiley out of deference. It was sweet. I actually went over there and tried to reply. I thought I'd bravely show her I could use one of the animated smileys. But I brought up the whole page full of animated smiley options and got stuck staring at them all for about 10 minutes, then gave up. Mostly I was trying to figure out why there's one with what looks like an oil funnel on top of its head, and another one with what looks like a floppy boxing glove. I couldn't imagine what emotion I could ever have that could get conveyed by those. I guess I pretty much only run the gamut from :-) to :-(, with an occasional ;-). I haven't quite even fully adopted :-D and :-P.
Come to think of it maybe that post about smileys was somewhere else?
Posted by Dinah on February 2, 2005, at 2:56:08
In reply to Re: I'll summarize » Dinah, posted by Tabitha on February 2, 2005, at 2:47:07
Regarding the smilies of course. I use emoticons a whole lot because it's hard to indicate tone in words. I like the tongue sticking out one. It seems to suit my tone a lot. :P. And the :-O. But I must confess I would be hard pressed to suit my mood to an oil funnel smilie.
I'll have to go back and check those out.
Posted by Angel Girl on February 2, 2005, at 3:10:04
In reply to Does it have to be one or the other?, posted by All Done on February 1, 2005, at 17:36:28
Once again, I'm entering a thread late, so excuse my intrusion but I feel exactly the same as you. I post at both sites. I don't find it necessary to decide one over the other. They each offer something to me that the other doesn't. What is so hard or wrong with that? I don't recall signing up to saying that any site had exclusive rights to my posting and nor would I.
AG
> dr-bob.org and psychcentral.com
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> Does one have to be bad and the other good?
>
> Do we have to choose where we get our education and support? Do we have to choose which posters we are going to befriend? It feels to me like many believe it has to be a choice. One or the other.
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> I post here. I post there. I like and dislike things about PsychoBabble. I like and dislike things about PsychCentral.
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> One thing remains constant, though. I like and feel loyal to *posters* at both places. I just can't deny myself the opportunity to make new friends and I definitely can't deny myself the opportunity to cultivate the friendships I already have.
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> Do you think Dr. Hsiung and Dr. Grohol mind if we post at both places? They shouldn't.
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> Just thinking outloud and feeling sad that I think a wall is going up (or growing higher?) between the two places :(.
>
> Laurie
Posted by Angel Girl on February 2, 2005, at 3:13:29
In reply to Sigh., posted by Dinah on February 1, 2005, at 18:35:15
Dinah
I'm sorry that this issue is causing you such strife but for you, I think that your issue is deeper than that. In that long thread on admin if I recall properly you stated a loyalness to this site but with reluctancy. Maybe this is something that you need to discuss in therapy. Or maybe I'm full of sh*t. I'll leave it up to you to choose.
AG
> I just have managed one real post on Psych Central.
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> I was instantly overcome with the notion that I was cheating. Silly I know. Dr. Bob hasn't demanded monogamy from me. And he has many many posters. :)
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> In theory I believe you're absolutely right, though. I'm sure both sites have good and bad points, both administrators have good and bad points, etc. And posters should feel free to post any and everywhere they feel comfortable all over the internet.
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> I just need to readjust my feelings toward Babble a bit. But that's my issue.
Posted by Angel Girl on February 2, 2005, at 3:23:58
In reply to First impression, posted by Angielala on February 1, 2005, at 19:31:14
I don't know who that poster was because in all honesty I didn't read your thread. I'm sorry that I didn't. I don't even really have an answer to why I didn't but I don't read all threads here either. What that poster wrote to you was what she would do. Maybe she wrote it in such a way that lead you to feel guilty. Did you discuss this with her? I didn't witness any of this so I have no idea to what happened really. But please don't judge all posters by that one, just as I would hope that you wouldn't do that here. There are some very wonderful people over there that make you feel extremely welcome. I'm only starting to get to know some of the posters. I have yet to spend a lot of time there and have slightly less than 100 posts so far. I feel for your situation and I'm sorry that you were upset by her reply and I can certainly understand why you would be. I would just advise you to gather all the info that you can and make the decision that makes you feel comfortable for both you and your unborn baby. Only you will know what that is. Just make an informed decision. I've sent my prayers to the man upstairs for you to have a normal, healthy pregnancy and a normal, healthy baby. I hope you will find peace in whatever you decide to do.
AG
> So I checked Psych Central out today... thought maybe I should post the Lamictal Pregnancy thing there, just in case. I got this poster telling me that if I was her that she wouldn't stay on the drug because if anything happens to the baby, I would have a lifetime of guilt. First impression of the place, the posters there do not have the same class as the posters here. I might be biased, but no one here would say that to the post that I posted (same post as here). Maybe it's just one bad poster... but God! Talk about trying to make someone feel pressured to follow their advice!
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> > dr-bob.org and psychcentral.com
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> > Does one have to be bad and the other good?
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> > Do we have to choose where we get our education and support? Do we have to choose which posters we are going to befriend? It feels to me like many believe it has to be a choice. One or the other.
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> > I post here. I post there. I like and dislike things about PsychoBabble. I like and dislike things about PsychCentral.
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> > One thing remains constant, though. I like and feel loyal to *posters* at both places. I just can't deny myself the opportunity to make new friends and I definitely can't deny myself the opportunity to cultivate the friendships I already have.
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> > Do you think Dr. Hsiung and Dr. Grohol mind if we post at both places? They shouldn't.
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> > Just thinking outloud and feeling sad that I think a wall is going up (or growing higher?) between the two places :(.
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> > Laurie
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